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Old 05-02-12   #511
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So many members on this forum(most of them are new) supporting builders and busy in justifying why current rates are reasonable. Wondering why?
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Since last few months, I have observed that most of the people I met / heard from others, want to buy real estate in Pune and areas around Pune. Please note that most of them are investors from Pune and Mumbai (and might be from other cities/countries). The question arises after looking at this - when those investors will again come in market after few years, say 3-5 years, to sell their property, who will buy them as by that time many people would have also become investor? Also, the new supply will keep on coming from builders and hence there would be many options available to those who are really looking to buy real estate for their own need and NOT for investment. In short, as there would be more supply than demand, investors may not get enough / expected return and there could be crash in the market.

This is My Opinion. What other dear members have to say on this?
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3. Greed is a human behaviour. Its not as if all builders are greedy and rest of the humanity isn't.
All 100 Eruo bills in truckfull for 3 km
European Debt Crisis: Who Loaned PIIGS the Money?

All 100 $ bills in Stadium full stack
US debt visualized: Stacked in 100 dollar bills 15 Trillion Dollars - Equal to US GDP 2011

This is minus the derivative exposure of the US and Euro....

add that and that's asking each and every working Human in this world to be ready to work without pay for 10 years

so some greed is healthy ... not this ...
be ready to pay .. in not now .. pay more later....

for the mistakes take loss now for 3 yrs pain

or later for 10 yrs added with a world war ....

as you sow so shall you reap ...
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if labours are earning 600 Rs per day and 18000 Rs per month without any tax then suggestions to builder , construct small 1 BHK and sell apartment to labours only...happily they will buy if not real end users.........ha ha ha
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Since last few months, I have observed that most of the people I met / heard from others, want to buy real estate in Pune and areas around Pune. Please note that most of them are investors from Pune and Mumbai (and might be from other cities/countries). The question arises after looking at this - when those investors will again come in market after few years, say 3-5 years, to sell their property, who will buy them as by that time many people would have also become investor? Also, the new supply will keep on coming from builders and hence there would be many options available to those who are really looking to buy real estate for their own need and NOT for investment. In short, as there would be more supply than demand, investors may not get enough / expected return and there could be crash in the market.

This is My Opinion. What other dear members have to say on this?
This is already happening. I came across so many resale flats where investors from Mumbai are looking to exit. When talking to brokers, understood that price fall in Mumbai is making investors exit and book profits. They say it's the time to exit and not to enter.

The smart money is exiting the RE market.
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marvel cascada is big time flop..all the flats are available for sell except 2, builder is in big problem
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All it takes is to make a few phone calls and find out the costs associated with building large complexes.

What are your calculations? Have you done any?

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And no. The land is not free. There is something called FSI and one can build only as much as the land area. Yes, builders make some quick buck by selling parkings and infrastructure costs and 30% loading factor but still I would be surprised if any builder gets more than 40% ROI per year.

Information is available for everybody to check...in this world everything is just a phone call away. Start calling people who have land for sale or intend to do JV. and you will know how risky it is to get into this business. Rs 4000 per sqft built up is a very reasonable price if builders have to survive (for them surviving is not using private planes!)
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1. Land prices have gone thru the roof in last few years. There is no piece of land 20000 sqft at Rs 1000 in Wakad anymore.
2. 15% salary hike should mean 30% income increase to businessmen. Afterall, the risk and rewards have to be in proportion.
3. Greed is a human behaviour. Its not as if all builders are greedy and rest of the humanity isn't.
4. Yes. Black money has very important role to play. Real Estate is a good parking place for unaccounted money.
5. Yes. Politicians and builders are one happy family.
6. Daily rate of a labor is Rs 600 per day in Pune.
7. Bricks cost Rs 9000 per thousand and cement costs Rs 280 per bag minimum.
8. Construction cost is around Rs 1000 per sqft.
9. IT tycoons and folks in entertainment industry became richer much faster than builders...so not sure why they are being accused of being greedy. They are in the business of making money and every right to sell their stuff to the highest bidder.
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All opinions are personal and made with very limited research. I usually call several people trying to sell land or interested in JV. I also call many builders. But I don't have any insider information.

However, with my reserach (howmuchever limited), I don't beleive that there will be any correction. RE will stagnate as it is seriously unaffordable. Current builders will slowly start finding new business opportunities and the market will stabilize. Eventually, RE will increase with the rate of inflation.
IT tycoons and others didnt become rich at the cost of common man .
Realtors are trying to become rich fast by conning people . If there was a process where they had to compulsorily follow all legal regulations then a lot of people will have no problems with them .
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Thats true.
Realtors and builders are not doing any charity work here. They are earning huge profits from these projects. I believe if even half of their flats are sold they achieve the break even point or may be enjoying profit. So Its ultimately the common man's dream who either has to spend his life paying EMIs or remain dreaming for own home.

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Realtors are trying to become rich fast by conning people . If there was a process where they had to compulsorily follow all legal regulations then a lot of people will have no problems with them .
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Default Correction? Yes...significant? Unlikely

Last few days I am scouting for flat in Pune. I don't have numbers but experience. The builders are not really under pressure to sell off their flats, at-least the ones I visited.

At multiple occasions I walked out of deal because of rate, but builders were not ready to reduce the prices significantly (like 200/300 rs. reduction). Yes they reduce prices, but not too much.

And yes, wherever I went, there was a queue of prospective buyers in the builder's office.
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