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Old February 19 2012, 08:32 PM   #101
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Clicked on this thread by chance and found the last few posts very interesting.

This is what i can tell you by my experience in this field for more than 15 years.

Indians on the whole love to divide...its no external matter but a completely internal one. How so ever small a area or a society..divisions will be made...and mind sets created....Which are very very rigid...by rigid i mean..VERY RIGID.

One will see in the future also..spl in ''Khichdi societies'' where there are 1,2 bhk and also 4 bhk, penthouses....The divisions will be made in no time and its pathetic.

Whats Ms. Ruchika has pointed out in a very crude manner...in somehow the reality..
What Mr.Saurabh has debated is very true...Ideally....but not in real picture.

Forget about Ghaziabad...I know not one but 2,3 cases where Wedding Proposals were REJECTED simply because the Guy was living in Preet Vihar and Mayur Vihar (Jamuna Paar)...and the girl was from South Delhi region.
YES YES...I know...East delhi has far better infrastructure, etc etc etc....but it still is Jamuna paar for MANY...Yes MANY...not few...But MANY.

I know the Owner of Pathways school very well.....and meet him very often....He has told me horrible stories where Parents have came and asked them about the ''Profession'' of father of their childs classmate..whom they met in PTA Meeting...and even threatened to withdraw their child from school if more such background children from such back ground are allowed admission. and mind you..they approached in a Group !!!!
From then they have made a strict policy of checking all this.
Mind you the childs parents were Richer than others...but were not very well spoken in english...they had some sort of business in Delhi.

I know many people who have told their children who are from Top schools like Modern, DPS rkp, DPS Mathura road, British school, American school..NOT to mingle much with children from Other ''LOCAL'' Schools.

This is the Mind set of a Very Large Group of People in Delhi region....I interact with Buyers so many times..and let me tell you....the FIRST UNDISPUTED Choice of High End Buyers in New Projects is GURGAON....A penthouse or villa in a rather shitty location of gurgaon will sell like hot cake...but to sell a similar project in a rather good location of Noida will take an effort.

Infrastructre, development are all a different thought process...what HIGH END CROWD needs is SIMILAR CROWD LIKE THEM AROUND THE REGION.....

Forget everything....Simply compare the Launches, Brands in different parts of NCR.
- A DLF Saket mall is running not because of a Big Bazaar or a Haldiram...It has brands which will fail miserably if launched in noida or ghaziabad.
- You will Top Expensive brands in South Delhi and Gurgaon Malls...from High end cars to Watches....
- Hardly any launches of small 1,2 bhk flats in even New areas of Gurgaon. Maximum launches start from 1200 sq. feet.
Villas, penthouses are in Top demand and good supply in these regions.
- Not even a Single High End project till date has been launched in Ghaziabad. Not even One.

These are self made mindsets of Delhiites themselves...and are very very rigid....and this the Rank....as per my experience....dont go for my word...Judge the Brands, Builders, Projects in these areas to understand.

HIGH END / HIGH CLASS
1. NDMC Area..Like Sunder nagar, Jor Bagh, Golf Links, Aurangzeb road
2. South Delhi
3. Gurgaon


Next comes UPPER MIDDLE
1. Punjabi Bagh, Model town, Rajinder nagar areas of Delhi
2. Good Plot sectors of Noida, East Delhi
3. Good Plot sectors of Faridabad

Next Comes Middle Class
1. Flats of Delhi, dwarka, dda flats, etc
2. Flats of Noida
3. Ghaziabad, Faridabad,

Greater Noida is a New region and still people havent made a Rigid Mindset for it or against it....ask anyone...and they have only one question about it ''Wahaan Logon ne rehna chalu kiya kya?'' ...but I can tell you...in the future...it will fall in the Middle class bracket only....There are 1,2 Premium projects but they are more or less like Holiday homes for rich in delhi...not their permanent residences

Please donot compare Rates....I am talking ONLY about Mindsets of Delhiites.

If price was the only criteria then Nala Supara in Outskirts of Mumbai would be more Posh than many regions of NCR.

These are very very rigid mindsets which are rather pathetic but still exist in majority.
It just shows that the mindset of Delhi junta is not progressive.
East delhi changed in 2-3 years and is far better than many regions of South delhi..but still is Jamuna paar...These People would buy a Small 2 bhk Barsaati in New Friends for crores..instead of buying a 200 sq.yard plot in Noida / ghaziabad

These are Mind sets of people and they are not changing the way they should.

Its a shame...but still a fact....

Noida instead of far better infra and far closer to South delhi and NDMC...is unable to attract the HNIs like Gurgaon

I can go to India Gate and New Friends in 10-15 from Noida...still its Gurgaon which is considered Upper Class....as most of the projects cater to Upper middle today and will do in future.

Noida, Ghaziabad infact will Deteriorate more in coming 3-4 years...as instead of launching more societies like ATS, Pearls tower, Jaypee Greater Noida, Unitech Grande...This region has launched more than 100 MIG Societies..with never seen before densities...!!!!!!....Even Yamuna expressway has not been spared...It will be a 21st century Amar colony after 15-20 years..with 100 sq.yard plots everywhere

Sad but true.....The image will go down further....

 
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Whats Ms. Ruchika has pointed out in a very crude manner...in somehow the reality..
What Mr.Saurabh has debated is very true...Ideally....but not in real picture.



Noida, Ghaziabad infact will Deteriorate more in coming 3-4 years...as instead of launching more societies like ATS, Pearls tower, Jaypee Greater Noida, Unitech Grande...This region has launched more than 100 MIG Societies..with never seen before densities...!!!!!!....Even Yamuna expressway has not been spared...It will be a 21st century Amar colony after 15-20 years..with 100 sq.yard plots everywhere

Sad but true.....The image will go down further....[/QUOTE]


absolutely correct but difficult to make fools understand the reality as the way we indians are, including them
 
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absolutely correct but difficult to make fools understand the reality as the way we indians are, including them
SUPERIORITY COMPLEX PERSONALITY DISORDERS

Everybody feels some kind of self-esteem that provides him/her the self-respect he has for himself in this world. This is not what the study is talking about. Because the environment of human beings charges each individual to possess such dynamic self that helps a person to comport himself in society. Its rewards being capable of allowing the members in the community to accord certain people their respects and thereby recognising the worth these persons possess in a particular community. The education a person has acquired, the family an individual hails from, the organisations a person belongs, and the contribution individuals have made to their various communities or country increases a person's worth, which is not a bad idea. What this study concentrates on, is those that deliberately want to regard themselves as superior human beings and in their fantasying and imagination, regard themselves as better than others in CONTENT. This is what we ascribe the psychiatric illness of Superiority Complex Personality Disorders (to be abbreviated SCP Disorders).

Definition
The SCP Disorders is a psychiatric illness which the patient possess the fantasy and daydreaming experiences that he is better than other individuals in content as a human being. The patient due to this false knowledge or delusion, commences to cause disturbance in his milieu against other human beings, which in his unprecedented delusion considers them as worthless or “animals”. The problem with this illness is that, it has deep root from psychological experience of the origin of humans, where many centuries ago certain appearances or characteristics of the human beings were utilised as yardstick conforming to the original human beings. This illness, therefore, has “compensatory status” that those that do not resemble the original human beings utilise to obtain better self-esteems in the larger society of the world. SCP Disorders, for example, makes certain patients to view the letter A as B or C. They may view other well-enlightened race on earth as “animals” even though records or evidence provide the opposite information.

The patients of SCP Disorders usually hail from the dominant societies of the world. They form certain groups, such as, supremacy groups elsewhere in the world, illusory superiority groups elsewhere in the world, and some organisations that were behind the Second World War in Europe and most disturbances in the world.

Symptoms
The root of the problem of this particular patient is deep; therefore, it is agreed that copious drinking and drug taking intensify the behaviour of his disturbance. The patient has no problem with money since the rich people who provide funding for their organisation in the world manipulate them. They behave in loquacious manner and memorise certain myths associated with unscientific creation story that purport to make them “better” than others. Due to their unprecedented delusion, some patients do not feel secure themselves and so have to go around with knives and weapons purporting to hurt others while in reality it is to protect their deep rooted insecurity with selves in society.

Patients with SCP Disorders can become victims of “Norman Psychosis”, a kind of confusionary state or temporary mental derangement state that is associated with people that have imbibed myths relating to God or gods that make them to commit crime easily when they had been manipulated by their chosen leader. The latter illness compel individuals or groups not to have adequate rationalisation prior to taking action regarding a conspiracy orchestrated by their religious leader or chosen leader.

Case Studies
1. SCP Disorders was perfectly displayed by many patients during the Second World War in Europe. It was even stated that certain countries in the world were filled with as many patients as the world could not count them. One particular patient whose sickness became known in the world was the soldier who saw to it many innocent Jews were exterminated. He complained bitterly to his friends and the world that “he could hear always voices telling him in his ears that the Jews were not humans.” His delusion was unprecedented and did not even care when bloods of the victims were splashing onto his face.

2. A teacher in one university somewhere in the world that did not believe in human equality (according to their tradition and fanatic behaviour concerning race superiority) became too sad and sick when he was forced to accept the reality for the most qualified candidate among the candidates to be employed. The student recounts his experiences like this: "He would be sitting down in a room and having meetings with other colleagues lecturers and he would see the patient (teacher) climbing tables and spying this student and his interactions with other lecturers. The disorder intensified such that the patient became very angry when he saw the student in the stairs. He started canvassing for support among his colleague professors (also illusory superiority adherents) to get support concerning how they would remove the student from this position. As it was easy to lure the university to advertise for the position again, the patient managed to fill the applicants/candidates with ghost names of people that they have also inflated their merits. By doing this, the patient could snatch the job from him. Therefore, the student who had been the first among the six candidates lost the job which he had already secured it through fair competition.” SCP Disorders can make well-respected people become sick and terrified when someone due to their sick mentality they recognise as inferior come near them. The delusion allow some patients to use false stories to win the people to their side since they have advantage of the media and publishing organisations.

3. In the USA, the Oklahoma State, a patient of SCP Disorders managed to fix bomb in an apartment building that killed and injured innocent people. He belonged to an organisation that was not only terrified about the government action concerning others but also about their manner of thinking. In this particular country there are uncountable number of patients suffering from SCP Disorders

4. In the Northern Hemisphere, during certain occasions some of these patients are let loose to come and march through the streets. Due to proper organisation methods, it is believed the organisation will change its ways and come to symbolise people that shall be fighting for human equality and unity on earth.


Analysis
SCP Disorders can be cured if a patient severe his contact with the groups that is the main source of indoctrinating young boys and girls in the society. The illness is contracted when a person attends their meetings and become well versed with their myths or ideologies, which are pre-scientific. The fanatics that originate these beliefs and ideologies are known to be always migrating from the Northern Hemisphere where they allow them to have their meetings freely and conduct their disturbances. Since there are many things and histories concerning the origin of man that they do not know, it is surmised that with time and access to adequate knowledge these patients will begin treating themselves from the false ideologies that have occasion these disturbances or illness.

Conclusion
The number of people suffering from SCP Disorders is many; they include would-be Presidents, Professors, Priests, and even distinguished Scientists. As there are more knowledge out there that they are ignorant about, it is supposed that soon they shall begin treating themselves when they get access to it.
 
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Ruchika, i think we are all trying to have a healthy discussion which should benefit all... lets not decide who is a fool & who is not ...

We all have r own opinions & thats exactly y we are here .. to share & decide.


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Whats Ms. Ruchika has pointed out in a very crude manner...in somehow the reality..
What Mr.Saurabh has debated is very true...Ideally....but not in real picture.



Noida, Ghaziabad infact will Deteriorate more in coming 3-4 years...as instead of launching more societies like ATS, Pearls tower, Jaypee Greater Noida, Unitech Grande...This region has launched more than 100 MIG Societies..with never seen before densities...!!!!!!....Even Yamuna expressway has not been spared...It will be a 21st century Amar colony after 15-20 years..with 100 sq.yard plots everywhere

Sad but true.....The image will go down further....
absolutely correct but difficult to make fools understand the reality as the way we indians are, including them[/QUOTE]
 
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very well said Zohaib...long and elaborate. Some of the things u said r really really shocking. Wat kind of mindset....aah, ridiculous!

On a diff note friends refrain from getting personal and plz avoid using foul language..everyone has opinions and are allowed to put it forward (at the same time others have all the right to disagree if they do)...but please maintain the decorum...else the purpose of this forum gets defeated.
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Honestly there is no Debate....Delhi waalas have their mind set which simply doesnt change.

South delhi is crowded, smelly, polluted, no parks, no decent malls, no MNCs, No proper water supply, Narrow roads, STILL....STILL....Its considered a POSH AREA

HERE IS WHY:

- Its Inhabited by Rich Class
Mostly the rich class in Delhi were Punjabis and geographically they prefer Haryana more than UP..which is considered ''BHAIYYA''..Labour crowd according to them..
Gurgaon which became an extension of South delhi was preferred more over Noida

This is the NUMBER 1 factor for Rich class.....SIMILAR CROWD

They want schools for their children, residences, Clubs, etc which cater to SIMILAR CLASS

I am hearing this word for the past one decade again and again.
This is the Most used word by HNI, NRI Buyers.....

Noida, east delhi, ghaziabad changed over the years but not the rigid mentality of delhi ites...who still in a majority treat this region as Middle class, Lower class, Bhaiyya Crowd, U.P, etc etc etc

This region had a Tremendous oppurtunity to change all that and was going the right way.....good offices..good malls...infra..etc etc.....but in past few years...the approach of builders or rather the rush to sell asap and move out attitude by builder and govt. has dented this region very badly

AFTER 5 YEARS:

Gurgaon with Upcoming Upperclass projects on dwarka expresswa, new sectors of gurgaon will attract more upper middle class crowd than this region

Noida, Ghaziabad region with nearly 100+ projects fully MIG projects and densities of more than 100 flats per acre...will attract never seen before MIG crowd in the region.

Thus the disparity between CROWDS will further increase...

Gurgaon will continue to be HNIs most preferred destination

The chain reaction has started....one will see the difference after 5-6 years

This was all off the topic....but i just shared what i have been seeing for many years.

So as i said...there is no debate....East delhi, Noida, Ghaziabad are ALL CONSIDERED MIG areas...by a vast majority and its not going to change thanx to lakhs of MIG flats under construction in the region.

A very NEGATIVE Publicity for Ghaziabad is coming soon
A movie called ''Zila Ghaziabad'' about Gundas, etc..which is really absurd...
Someone should file a court case against this title of movie...claiming it to Denting a city's image, etc

UP has also suffered Negative publicity all the time because of its state goverments whether SP or BSP....not exactly with the Center govt...whether BJP or Congress

A small incident in noida or ghaziabad is discussed everywhere...but very strangely one doesnt get to hear about Gundas and Security issues in Gurgaon or Faridabad.

Anyhow...again off the topic....

To End

These regions of Noida and Ghaziabad have come up AGAINST ALL THE ODDS....and are good options for Middle and Upper middle crowd for End Use.
 
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I know bhai... Price is really rocket high in these areas.... See if you can travel 20 Minutes more toward RNE from IP (but after DEC/2012) then you can get luxury Near RTM HIG in 36 Lac (1550 SF Super Area, 1050 SF covered area) in RNE.... only issue at this time is there is HUGE HUGE Traffic jam from RNE to Mohan Nagar at OLD Hindon Bridge but after DEC/2012 that traffic jam will goes off fully because no need to go towards OLD Hindon Bridge as new Hindon Bridge is going to OPEN for public in next 8 Month which will connect RNE with Mohan Nagar Directly in 3 KM or 5 minutes MAX (or 7 KM or 10-15 minutes max from IP).....

You can also try Crossing Republic if work in Noida (not DELHI)

For pure investment purpose and if want high return then only SEE Plots not Flats..


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Plots, in which area???
Authorised/Approved???
What do u think govindpuram/Suwarnjayanti Puram plots??
Suggest some more areas====But sooner the better.
I request for PM to me.
 
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Plots, in which area???
Authorised/Approved???
What do u think govindpuram/Suwarnjayanti Puram plots??
Suggest some more areas====But sooner the better.
I request for PM to me.
For Plots in NCR try Greater Noida , Bhiwari AREA..... In Ghaziabad any good area which has approved plots with good future are now very costly....

Current Authorized Residential Plot Rates in GZB are as below
Ramprastha Calony near Vivek Vihar DELHI ==> 1.30 Lac PSY
Vaishali / Vasundhra / IP BELT ==> 80K to 1Lac PSY (Location wise)
Shalimar Garden / Rajendra Nagar ==>50K to 60K PSY
Raj Nagar Main / Kavi Nagar ==> 90K+ PSY
Raj Nagar Extension (RNE) ==> 40K PSY (but available only in Rivers Height Society)

Other Outer areas of GZB like Tronica City , Wave City , NH-24 Aditya are cheap but Issues are there and hence better to buy in Greater Noida (25K-35K) or in Bhiwari (10K-15K).
 
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Hi saurabh, thanks for the info.
is river heights soceity selling plots. if yes then do they sell directly or its only availiable in resale.i am planning to invest in plots in ghaziabad.

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For Plots in NCR try Greater Noida , Bhiwari AREA..... In Ghaziabad any good area which has approved plots with good future are now very costly....

Current Authorized Residential Plot Rates in GZB are as below
Ramprastha Calony near Vivek Vihar DELHI ==> 1.30 Lac PSY
Vaishali / Vasundhra / IP BELT ==> 80K to 1Lac PSY (Location wise)
Shalimar Garden / Rajendra Nagar ==>50K to 60K PSY
Raj Nagar Main / Kavi Nagar ==> 90K+ PSY
Raj Nagar Extension (RNE) ==> 40K PSY (but available only in Rivers Height Society)

Other Outer areas of GZB like Tronica City , Wave City , NH-24 Aditya are cheap but Issues are there and hence better to buy in Greater Noida (25K-35K) or in Bhiwari (10K-15K).
 
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Hi IREFians... Just wanted to know how is Vaishali Sector -1 to purchase a builder constructed property on a largish floor plate divided into two apartments (Front & Back). How much should the pricing be as society flats are almost 5000 Rs. /SQFT, should this be somewhere in the range of 4000-4200?

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