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Old April 5 2011, 02:50 AM   #1
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Default Earthquake, anyone?

This afternoon, around 5 pm, NOIDA experienced a minor earthquake. The epicenter was somewhere around the India-Nepal border.

Can somebody with a sound grounding in structure design principles throw some light on how the upcoming buildings in NOIDA are resistant to earthquakes?

What about "lifestyle" buildings like SuperTech NorthEye?

 
Old April 5 2011, 03:07 AM   #2
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Default NCR needs a desperate earthquake

Sometimes I think NCR really needs a earthquake so that few underconstruction super high-rise buildings come down which will prevent innocent users to buy in super highrise buildings . The biggest fact is that in India builders are so dishonest that we should n't be allowed to construct these sort of High rises. In other countries they don't even mix sand in the structures but in India we do.

We have our structures fall down just after the construction whether it's the common wealth bridge or some other. Save Life - Discoruage corruption- AVOID HIGH RISE.

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Old April 5 2011, 06:35 AM   #3
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Hi Hitesh,
Being a civil engineer worked 10 yrs in India and now working in abroad, I try to put some words it might help you or similar people to get out of this Earthquake fear.
First of all please don't let down urself or your country by saying ki YAHA YE HOTA HAI AUR WAHA YE HOTA HAI. Let I explain you in regards of eartquake, there is no technology who avoid the building to collapse from eartquake if it is at very high RS say if it come at higher than 10. Japan is one of the coutry who adopts best technology in building construction to avoid the damage from earthquake and now you we can see what damaged hasbeen done there even after so much technology adoption. Indian Lovers-Please keep in mind our building designing still on traditional based (oversafe 50%), all highrise buildings are FRAMED STRUCTURED (SKELTON) and the building frame designed by professionals and these professionals make sure that builder do the right things by inspecting at evry pour. Because these are the person who comes in first row to face the consicious if something goes wrong in building structurally.
At the time of earthquake, majority of the damage in building is due to by infill walls because these individaul walls shake individaully and devlops cracks and get fell off. Building skelton shakes as a single unit because wholed structure design monolithically and remains safe most of the time.
Ye cement me mitti milane ka kaam tou flooring aur brickwork ke time hota hai - 90% of the time this happens because of the lack of supervision not because of the builder's instructions----kitna bacha loge yaar. SO BE POSITIVE AND KEEP ON HAMMERING THE BUILDER FOR BETTER QUALITY.

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While I dont buy hitesh's point of wishing to experience a strong earthquake (it is very harsh to think on those lines), it is true that the situation is grim and the governing authority needs to put in place a process of periodic assessment of the buildings during their structure construction itself.
Let me tell you about my experience yesterday during the mild tremors. I sit on 2nd floor of a building that is hardly 4 yrs old, constructed by renowned builder and we experienced tremors for around 4-5 secs while my friend who works in a separate building just 200 meters from ours told that none in his organization experienced any such tremors. His is 15 yrs old building.
May be J Chauhan has a very valid point. More than the builder, it depends on the extent of supervision at the time of construction.
 
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Lets not give incorrect information here...
Even after such high magnitude earth quake, not a single structure has collapsed in Japan. And this has happened due to technology and their wisdom to use it. The devastation we have witnessed was due to tsunami.



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Japan is one of the coutry who adopts best technology in building construction to avoid the damage from earthquake and now you we can see what damaged hasbeen done there even after so much technology adoption. J Chauhan
 
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We can wake up a sleeping person but it's really difficult to wake up folks who are pretending to sleep. we need to understand the fact that our corrupt politicians like BMW have selling left and right for their personal benefit. And builders are maikng fool of innocent people by selling them highrise unsafe projects.
NO enduser can do the construction quality control of the builder they are just so helpless after paying the money that they just somehow want the possesion not even thinking about quality ..and to tell you the fact no builder will allow you to go to their construction site and test their quality.
We will need to accept the fact in such a dishonest country like ours it is very easy to get the earthquake certification by paying some money as bribe..history has witnessed the quake came in BHUJ many many buildings earth quake certified buildings came down like leaf no action has been taken against builder..ppl forget it like a natural disaster..

ALL I am saying is avoid high rise buildings that way the mass can discourage the corruption by not buying these so called certifed buildings..

I know people will still risk their lives by purchasing these apartments they will come to the real story once if NCR touches a magnitude 7.0 quake..

and then they will repent their decision at that time but it will be too late by then..believe prevention is always better then cure..

Regards,
Hitesh
 
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We can wake up a sleeping person but it's really difficult to wake up folks who are pretending to sleep. we need to understand the fact that our corrupt politicians like BMW have selling left and right for their personal benefit. And builders are maikng fool of innocent people by selling them highrise unsafe projects.
NO enduser can do the construction quality control of the builder they are just so helpless after paying the money that they just somehow want the possesion not even thinking about quality ..and to tell you the fact no builder will allow you to go to their construction site and test their quality.
We will need to accept the fact in such a dishonest country like ours it is very easy to get the earthquake certification by paying some money as bribe..history has witnessed the quake came in BHUJ many many buildings earth quake certified buildings came down like leaf no action has been taken against builder..ppl forget it like a natural disaster..

ALL I am saying is avoid high rise buildings that way the mass can discourage the corruption by not buying these so called certifed buildings..

I know people will still risk their lives by purchasing these apartments they will come to the real story once if NCR touches a magnitude 7.0 quake..

and then they will repent their decision at that time but it will be too late by then..believe prevention is always better then cure..

Regards,
Hitesh
We do understand your concern and highly appreciate that.

Unfortunately our integrity are so low that we can go to any length for just few rupees... coupled with our "Chalta Hain" attitude.

It may seems very harsh and inhuman, but we need a tragedy of that scale to shake us from core.

It's not only about the building quality and standard.... we need a proper crisis management plan, we need to educate our public about dos and don't of any crisis. In many of the cases, our public worsen the situation unknowingly or just due to sheer absence of consideration for other people.

During crisis, each and every timely right action saves many lives and a single wrong untimely action put everyone in danger. I had been someway involved in many crisis management team and do understand what does PLAN, COORDINATION and PREPAREDNESS means.

Just a correction, before Bhuj incident, there was no standard for earth quake resistant building... but again, in India standard means a fixed rate of bribe amount!!

Finally, as usual... "God save India"!
 
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agree 100%


Thats what India is righty refered to as a "Functioning anarchry"....

.....the trouble is we dont learn even from the tragedies.... I dont think houses in Bhuj/Amdavad are any safer now, or that two trains are any less likely to travel on the same track



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Unfortunately our integrity are so low that we can go to any length for just few rupees... coupled with our "Chalta Hain" attitude.... but again, in India standard means a fixed rate of bribe amount!!

Finally, as usual... "God save India"!
 
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We have seen some earthquakes in India, if not Japan's intensity then Bhuj intensity. Also, it is not necessary ke India mein hum ek zabardast earthquake dekhein tabhi akal aayegi.
Agar akal aani hoti to Japan dekhkar bhi aa jati. Is their any builder who has improved quality after Japan quake, is their any government who made changes in building laws after Japan quake...NO.
Kutte ki poochh agar 12 mahine earthquake ki building ke niche padhi rahegi to bhi tedhi ki tedhi rahegi....
Agar earthquake wish karoge to bekaar mein hazaaron-lakhon log maare jayenge...governance ka kuchh nahin hoga, ye aise hi rahegi.
I am afraid agar Anna Hazare ne zid na chhodi to bechare ki jaan jayegi...ye desh aise hi chal raha tha, chal raha hai or chalta rahega.

Sorry, if I have hurt anyone's feeling...but this is my view.
 
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We have seen some earthquakes in India, if not Japan's intensity then Bhuj intensity. Also, it is not necessary ke India mein hum ek zabardast earthquake dekhein tabhi akal aayegi.
Agar akal aani hoti to Japan dekhkar bhi aa jati. Is their any builder who has improved quality after Japan quake, is their any government who made changes in building laws after Japan quake...NO.
Kutte ki poochh agar 12 mahine earthquake ki building ke niche padhi rahegi to bhi tedhi ki tedhi rahegi....
Agar earthquake wish karoge to bekaar mein hazaaron-lakhon log maare jayenge...governance ka kuchh nahin hoga, ye aise hi rahegi.
I am afraid agar Anna Hazare ne zid na chhodi to bechare ki jaan jayegi...ye desh aise hi chal raha tha, chal raha hai or chalta rahega.

Sorry, if I have hurt anyone's feeling...but this is my view.
Sad ... but this is reality.
 
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