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Old 24-06-10   #11
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My opinion is: All unauthorized construction should be demolished.
What do you say? Should builders be allowed to pay fine to regularize unauthorized construction.

Forget whether it damages environment or not.
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Now days rising attitude of violating all norms about environment and exceeding the permissions granted by civic bodies is becoming a common phenomenon.

ONE OF THE LEADING Marathi news channel opened up the issue about Midory Towers at Pimple Nilakh` created a storm. Now PCMC will penalize the builder and once again everything will be all set to violate norm at some other place. I am in full agreement with the statement that a builder just cannot follow all rules set by civic bodies sometimes even the directives and or judgments issued by court of law. Mangier times this is ignored by buyer; just with a consideration that profit making is the basic motive of any business house.

For example charged parking, MSEB Charges, selling on the basis of saleable area instead of carpet area etc. I understand these kinds of issues are related to pocket of the buyer. But I strongly condemn issues of violating environmental issues because these types of issues are related to lives of people. Compensating somebody after his death is not going to set equilibrium to the situation.

The more disturbing aspect of it is the owners of the company are family members of former state irrigation secretary of Maharashtra. Apart from dumping construction debris n the riverbed developer has also blocked the natural nala passing through the plot. This could lead to flooding in and around areas.

According to DNA the beautiful answer given by by city engineer –“The project is in flood line area but while the project was sanctioned by PCMC in March 2007,maps demarcating The Mula river floodline were received by civic body only in last year. “According to existing norms, PCMC willpenalise the builder for violating the building permission terms”.The unauthorized construction would be regularized according to PCMC rules.”According to state Govt. Law,unauthorized construction can be regularized by builders by paying premium charges. Says the City Engineer.

The statement by city engineer is shocking.

The other or the true meaning of the statement is , builder can violate any rule and get it regularized by paying fines. I strongly object this kind of attitude.

My dear friends we have already destucted many things but changing directions of river is going to cause deaths ,tremendous loss to environment, immense inconvenience to other citizens.

Cutting down the trees is also common behavior pattern. In fact one should be sentenced to the same treatment which is defined for murder, by court of law.

My dear friends we need to initiate some kind of action on this. Senior members ,pl guide on this issue.

According to news paper sources it is learnt that more than 200 construction projects have been granted permission by PCMC in contravention of guidelines regarding the flood lines of rivers. This means that many more such projects would have been constructed in a manner that it would hamper the flow of Mula, Pavana and Indrayani.

And just by paying fines things may get regularized. This is something very serious. We all should come across the table to initiate some sort of action.
Prasad,

I agree to the gist of your post. To combat this problem only one solution can be put forth. A Real Estate Regulatory body (RERB).

AFA regularization is concerned, there has to be a line which needs to be defined by the RERB. If this line is crossed, the construction can be deemed as encroachment and brought down.

However, if the violation is under certain limits (like one floor created extra when the building can actually sustain it easily) heavy penalties should be charged to the building company.

It all boils down to legality. If someone can quickly prove and challenge a builder's violation in court, the RERB can quickly take action.

I think the action plan for us citizens should be to push the lawmakers of MH to install a RERB quickly.
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Prasad,

I agree to the gist of your post. To combat this problem only one solution can be put forth. A Real Estate Regulatory body (RERB).

AFA regularization is concerned, there has to be a line which needs to be defined by the RERB. If this line is crossed, the construction can be deemed as encroachment and brought down.

However, if the violation is under certain limits (like one floor created extra when the building can actually sustain it easily) heavy penalties should be charged to the building company.

It all boils down to legality. If someone can quickly prove and challenge a builder's violation in court, the RERB can quickly take action.

I think the action plan for us citizens should be to push the lawmakers of MH to install a RERB quickly.
Why more agency. More red tapes mean more corruption means more cost for end users. The corporation is the regulatory authority and they should be more involved.
PMC (and PCMC) has only one City engineer assigned to resp. corporation. Its a one man show who has to sign all plans, visit all sites, do other corp chores of development and planning etc etc.
Only if they can have more than 1 CE and divide city into 4-8 zones.
I think BMC Mumbai works on this principle.

If all cities and public sector companies in India were run by Private companies there would be much less corruption, more accountability and better development. And the court should allow the consumer to sue with heavy $$$ fines or punitive damages like in US to erring agencies. It works in US it will work here too.
I had sued city of Chicago for a damaged car resulting from a big pothole. It broke my axle and many other things and guess what ? Just the first hearing in 10 days and the judge took me and the city attorney on side and settled the claim for $1800/-for fixing my car damages. Lucky for the city I did not sue them for broken back

In short punitive damages and lawsuits with quick results brings quality and accountability to jobs.

I am having one MSEB meter in one of my property, all legally assigned to me with paper work but no bill for past 3 years. Went to the many times gave them in writing, told them I want to pay with fine if any eventhough its not my fault.. they said ok but still no bill. Supply works fine, they did not cut the meter but no solution to root problem. This is what frustrates many of us here in India.
Thanks for letting me vent.
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helmak,

Liked your post. Let me tell you an incident which happened to my friend in Australia. He had gone for purchase of essential goods & when he returned, saw that the sauce bottle had expired. He called up the store & informed about them. They requested them to stay in his house for next 20 mins & guess what, a van came to his house, full of bottle of sauces, jams, few cans of coke, noodles & all. It was given to my friend for free, the bottle of sauce taken from him & an apology letter from the manager. They just requested him not to file a case else their license would have been suspended.

You need to differentiate between developed world & India. The value for life is India is nothing, thanks to cockroach like population. Hence, this difference.

* My friend is now a citizen of Oz.
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^^^ Hope he doesn't get beat in Oz Just kidding. I agree human life is the cheapest commodity in India
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Liked your post. Let me tell you an incident which happened to my friend in Australia. He had gone for purchase of essential goods & when he returned, saw that the sauce bottle had expired. He called up the store & informed about them. They requested them to stay in his house for next 20 mins & guess what, a van came to his house, full of bottle of sauces, jams, few cans of coke, noodles & all. It was given to my friend for free, the bottle of sauce taken from him & an apology letter from the manager. They just requested him not to file a case else their license would have been suspended.

You need to differentiate between developed world & India. The value for life is India is nothing, thanks to cockroach like population. Hence, this difference.

* My friend is now a citizen of Oz.
Hi realacres:
This is exactly I want India to be in few decades. But looks like a far fetched dream. When more than half of our elected officials have crooked background what do you expect. Almost every state in India has a Monarchy.
It is a shame when you see ministers and political parties fighting for juicy portfolio- media describing these portfolios with adjectives like lucrative, important, juicy, etc to convey that kick backs in such portfolios are plenty.
What a shame. Will this ever change? For sure not in our life time.
This morning I saw a minister's car blocking traffic under Hinjewadi bridge for 10 minutes for security. and I asked myself security against who?? Not outside elements its against their internal foes. Why would you have internal foes if you were a straight forward person?
God bless us all.
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This morning I saw a minister's car blocking traffic under Hinjewadi bridge for 10 minutes for security. and I asked myself security against who?? Not outside elements its against their internal foes. Why would you have internal foes if you were a straight forward person?
God bless us all.
Absolutely. And guess what, the same was said by a minister himself. Man, there are many MLAs, MPs but just one cabinet berth for X portfolio. So, in order to get there, you need to remove that chap. You are a failure in politics if you don't have 'Lal Batti' car with security entourage. The bigger security, the more powerful you are is the thought of politicos. You know, the ex-Home Min, the bastard Shivraj Patil had over 100 guards even after he was forced to resign as HM. Now, his acts were terrorist friendly, so terrorists wouldn't have killed him, rather they would prefer such chap. So, whom was he afraid of??? He has done so many scandals, ask any Latur Congressmen, & he will tell you. There have been cases where the own partymen were involved in bringing up scandals of leading politicians for their personal political gains. Hope you got the point.
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Absolutely. And guess what, the same was said by a minister himself. Man, there are many MLAs, MPs but just one cabinet berth for X portfolio. So, in order to get there, you need to remove that chap. You are a failure in politics if you don't have 'Lal Batti' car with security entourage. The bigger security, the more powerful you are is the thought of politicos. You know, the ex-Home Min, the bastard Shivraj Patil had over 100 guards even after he was forced to resign as HM. Now, his acts were terrorist friendly, so terrorists wouldn't have killed him, rather they would prefer such chap. So, whom was he afraid of??? He has done so many scandals, ask any Latur Congressmen, & he will tell you. There have been cases where the own partymen were involved in bringing up scandals of leading politicians for their personal political gains. Hope you got the point.
Perhaps these are the reasons why many R2I folks are now R2USA. I have at least half dozen friends who left within 3-5 years of moving back. I on the other hand will hang on as long as I can hoping for an improved system( wishful thinking). But for sure I would not want my kids to work in India when they grow up. Many will disagree with me but many more will be in same boat as me.
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Perhaps these are the reasons why many R2I folks are now R2USA. I have at least half dozen friends who left within 3-5 years of moving back. I on the other hand will hang on as long as I can hoping for an improved system( wishful thinking). But for sure I would not want my kids to work in India when they grow up. Many will disagree with me but many more will be in same boat as me.
helmak,

Rather than having a view of sending your kids abroad when they grow up, why not join active politics?

May be you don't like mainstream parties since they are all of the same breed. But there are several others which are making a difference. for e.g. Professionals Party of India. Maybe you like their views?

I deeply believe that the situation we are in has a lot to do with us as citizens of this country. Our neglect to our political system has brought us here. We are now at a stage where the political system has become so overwhelmingly powerful that it seems impossible to overcome.

If you start today, maybe your children would continue your legacy and bring in some change, however small that might be.

But if your children go away from here, the world will remain the same. It will remain the same wherever they go. It will remain the same here too. It will be a waste.

All this is same old rhetoric, but the rhetoric needs to be enacted. And we all miss the enactment.
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