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Last updated: August 29 2018
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  • #11

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    Re : Question on CMDA Approval

    Dear abk,
    Can you message me privately. Thanks

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    • #12

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      Re : Question on CMDA Approval

      Originally posted by abk View Post
      it is amazing that when building their own house majority of people dont give a damn about rules.more than 80% of private buildings fall into this category.but it is good to see people questioning deviation by the builders.
      this is driven by market forces,as long as people buy,builders will deviate and people will buy as long as CMDA(or politicians) is corrupt.I dont see corruption dying in a decade or two.
      there are lot of riders who despite the rule dont wear helmets,nobody cares. once in a while few cases would be filed.an eyewash
      You seem to be too conscientious and yet living in Chennai!

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      • #13

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        Re : Question on CMDA Approval

        We are planning to buy a flat from a flat promoter

        Hello Experts,
        We are planning to buy a flat from a flat promoter. They are constructing Ground +2 floors,GF=2, FF=3,SF=3. But they have approval only for 6 flats.We are thinking of buying a flat in 1st floor. Since he doesnt have approval for 2nd floor 2 flats, Will there be any impact for us in future, if we buy the 1st floor flat.
        Please advise.
        Thanks,
        kumar

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        • #14

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          Re : Question on CMDA Approval

          Originally posted by mkumar.t View Post
          Hello Experts,
          We are planning to buy a flat from a flat promoter. They are constructing Ground +2 floors,GF=2, FF=3,SF=3. But they have approval only for 6 flats.We are thinking of buying a flat in 1st floor. Since he doesnt have approval for 2nd floor 2 flats, Will there be any impact for us in future, if we buy the 1st floor flat.
          Please advise.
          Thanks,
          kumar
          deviation to a plan is ok and prevalent,but unauthorised addition of a floor is a bit too much,i suggest you look elsewhere.
          whether you will be affected yes in case of demolition by the authorities who will not care about the structure. the demolishing(a far off chance) will have repurcursions on the RCC frame and reduce the strength of the structure with possibilities of cracks in your portion.

          tell me whether the rate is >35% discount than comparable properties why are u particular about this.

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          • #15

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            Re : Question on CMDA Approval

            Originally posted by abk View Post
            deviation to a plan is ok and prevalent,but unauthorised addition of a floor is a bit too much,i suggest you look elsewhere.
            whether you will be affected yes in case of demolition by the authorities who will not care about the structure. the demolishing(a far off chance) will have repurcursions on the RCC frame and reduce the strength of the structure with possibilities of cracks in your portion.

            tell me whether the rate is >35% discount than comparable properties why are u particular about this.

            I have also come across many such projects in chennai where either the 2nd floor(G+1) or 4th floor(stilt+3) is unapproved or there is unauthorized construction in ground floor for office room or some time even a flat.

            I can understand deviations due to restrictions in set backs, plot coverage or increase in space due to lumber room etc.

            But, the openness with which such deviations are done at exorbitant price astounds me.

            I have certain questions and hope to get the answers here

            1.Builders claim as per second master plan, they are entitled more FSI so they have built additional floor/room and have applied for approval.

            Reading through the DCR I see scope for additional FSI only using the following ways

            1.Premium FSI.
            2.Increase in FSI due to Transferrable development rights.
            3.Additional floor as special building.

            Which one is used?or do they even care to get approval or ratification?or leave it as is, as completion certificate is not enforced as long as water and electricity is available?

            Assuming, the builder gets approval using one of the above wouldnt the UDS be disproportionate?

            2.Also, Looks most of the land and buildings along ECR seem unapproved or unauthorized.

            I am coming across very attractive offers in ECR.For example, 1-1.5 ground approved, seaside plot above CRZ in kottivakkam for as less as 55 lakhs/ground.

            Though it falls outside CRZ(above 500m for High tide line) and is approved.There are other issues.It falls under aquifer recharge area which makes it useless to buy due to the restrictions imposed for CMDA building approval.

            I understand that construction is permitted in CRZ and Aquifer area as per second master plan with restrictions like

            1.Minimum plot size has to be 440 sq.m.(2 grounds)
            2.The frontage should be 15m(50 ft)
            3.Maximum FSI permitted is 0.8.
            4.The height of the building is restricted to 8.5 m
            5.maximum plot coverage of 40 per cent.

            Kottivakkam, Palavakkam, Neelankarai, Okkiamthuraipakkam, Injambakkam, Karapakkam, Sholinganallur and Uthandi fall under aquifer recharge area.

            But still everyone is going ahead purchasing such plots and construction taking only panchayat approval.

            I dont consider any of such projects/lands as I dont mind paying more per/sqft for a clean property elsewhere than compromise on such things and repent later.

            Frankly I dont understand their games and how this wrong is done right.Hope someone can throw further light on it.The information will be surely beneficial to all.

            Thanks in advance.
            Last edited November 17 2009, 02:54 PM.

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            • #16

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              Re : Question on CMDA Approval

              How they calculate if they promoter has stilt type building

              I have seen a land near kelambakkam where the flat promoter has constructed stilt type of building(Stilt car parking area +2 floors) on a 20 feet road. However the approval is given only for G+1 floor. Is this a violation?

              When i ask the flat promoter he tells stilt type building has special permission where the car parking area is not considered as the built up area.

              Please share your ideas?

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              • #17

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                Re : Question on CMDA Approval

                Originally posted by karthickj View Post
                I have seen a land near kelambakkam where the flat promoter has constructed stilt type of building(Stilt car parking area +2 floors) on a 20 feet road. However the approval is given only for G+1 floor. Is this a violation?

                When i ask the flat promoter he tells stilt type building has special permission where the car parking area is not considered as the built up area.

                Please share your ideas?
                I dont understand you query you say approval is given for G+1.
                anything against this is a deviation.

                it is possible to get an approval for stilt + 2 on a 20 feet road
                it is not special and is categorized under ordinary building.the area under stilt is not included in FSI computation

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                • #18

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                  Re : Question on CMDA Approval

                  Originally posted by nabishek View Post
                  I have also come across many such projects in chennai where either the 2nd floor(G+1) or 4th floor(stilt+3) is unapproved or there is unauthorized construction in ground floor for office room or some time even a flat.


                  I have certain questions and hope to get the answers here

                  1.Builders claim as per second master plan, they are entitled more FSI so they have built additional floor/room and have applied for approval.

                  Reading through the DCR I see scope for additional FSI only using the following ways

                  1.Premium FSI.
                  2.Increase in FSI due to Transferrable development rights.
                  3.Additional floor as special building.

                  Which one is used?or do they even care to get approval or ratification?or leave it as is, as completion certificate is not enforced as long as water and electricity is available?

                  Assuming, the builder gets approval using one of the above wouldnt the UDS be disproportionate?


                  But still everyone is going ahead purchasing such plots and construction taking only panchayat approval.

                  .Hope someone can throw further light on it.The information will be surely beneficial to all.

                  Thanks in advance.
                  the II master plan does give some room for increased FSI and additional floor on a 30 feet road with some conditions.
                  the scope for increase in FSI is
                  that the area under stilt for an ordinary building can be built on the terrace.
                  % of area in balconies is not included in FSI.
                  additional FSI for smaller dwelings 450 sq ft.(EWS)
                  rear set back for ordinary building for bigger plots reduced from 10 to 5 feet.
                  etc.
                  premium FSI and transferrable rights still on paper.

                  all these need to be approved by the authority.

                  if all the flats in the building are propotionately increased then no problem with UDS,anyway UDS can be calculated on the new areas.

                  PANCHAYAT approved is not unapproved.they have certain limits under their jurisidiction.
                  Last edited November 17 2009, 06:34 PM.

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                  • #19

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                    Re : Question on CMDA Approval

                    Originally posted by abk View Post
                    the II master plan does give some room for increased FSI and additional floor on a 30 feet road with some conditions.
                    the scope for increase in FSI is
                    that the area under stilt for an ordinary building can be built on the terrace.
                    % of area in balconies is not included in FSI.
                    additional FSI for smaller dwelings 450 sq ft.(EWS)
                    rear set back for ordinary building for bigger plots reduced from 10 to 5 feet.
                    etc.
                    premium FSI and transferrable rights still on paper.

                    all these need to be approved by the authority.

                    if all the flats in the building are propotionately increased then no problem with UDS,anyway UDS can be calculated on the new areas.

                    PANCHAYAT approved is not unapproved.they have certain limits under their jurisidiction.
                    Thanks a lot abk.

                    I understand panchayat and corporations have authority to approve building plans for only G+1 buildings and for others it has to be routed to CMDA.

                    Do panchayats and corporations have seperate Development Regulations?I am under the impression they have delegated powers to only share the responsibility and can approve only as per CMDA rules.Am I right?

                    Within CMA limits, whose authority is considered higher?

                    When there are such gap between rules and its implementation can we go ahead if a plot or flat if it is approved by any one competent authority?

                    Is it safe to assume it will be later regularized or properly compensated in case of any disputes and if we plead ignorance?

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                    • #20

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                      Re : Question on CMDA Approval

                      Originally posted by nabishek View Post
                      Thanks a lot abk.

                      I understand panchayat and corporations have authority to approve building plans for only G+1 buildings and for others it has to be routed to CMDA.

                      Do panchayats and corporations have seperate Development Regulations?I am under the impression they have delegated powers to only share the responsibility and can approve only as per CMDA rules.Am I right?

                      Within CMA limits, whose authority is considered higher?

                      When there are such gap between rules and its implementation can we go ahead if a plot or flat if it is approved by any one competent authority?

                      Is it safe to assume it will be later regularized or properly compensated in case of any disputes and if we plead ignorance?
                      all development in the CMA area whether corp or panchayat have to follow CMDA rules only and any approval is given only after due consent from CMDA hence the seal of approval is on behalf of member secretrary CMDA.

                      it is a case of limits.the ultimate building permit is only issued by the local body.
                      in case of planning approvals you can consider the local bodies as branches of CMDA.they have authority for sanctioning ord buildings and subdivisions.higher development have to be routed thru CMDA.

                      first in CMA area you will not get approval from local body for plans beyond their jurisdiction without duly routed thru CMA.hence their is no ambiguity an approval is an approval per se.

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