Hi Friends,

I had been to the FAIRPRO '09 Fair.My Impression after seeing, is that prices are stagnating for all ongoing projects and builders are trying hard to hold them up.

Prices are 10-20% lower for new projects in the pipeline and for ready to occupy flats.

The discount offered at the stall was very less and were in the range 150-500 Rs/sqft max.

For the benefit of fellow members I am posting the project/price details of some of the properties.



Akshaya Foundations

Adora - OMR - 3750/sqft
Aikya - Adyar - 12500/sqft

Alliance Group - Orchid Springs - 3199/sqft

Arihant Foundations

Heirloom - Thalumbur - 2499/sqft
Escapade - Thoraipakkam - 4150/sqft
Villa Viviana - Maramalai nagar - starting from 1 Crore

Asvini Foundations

Amarisa-phase1 - Ramapuram - 4500/sqft
Amarisa-phase2 - Ramapuram - 4250/sqft
Akshita - Madipakkam - 3800/sqft

Casa Grande

Riveira - Palikkarnai - 3450/sqft - before discount 3600/sqft
Silver Oak - Perungudi - 4300/sqft - before discount 4500/sqft
Madhuban - Madipakkam - 3300 /sqft - before discount 3500/sqft
Mylapore - R.K.salai - 12500/sqft
Plots
Ponmar -785/sqft - before discount 825/sqft
Maraimalainagar - 790/sqft - before discount 825/sqft

CeeDeeyes - Chenni Pattinam

Basic Rate - 1600/sqft All Inclusive - 2075/sqft

Chaitanya shanthiniketan

Sunnyvale - Ayanavaram - 4850/sqft
Serena - Rajkilpakkam - 2550/sqft
Gardenia - OMR - 1900/sqft
Green Park - Chitlapakkam - 3300/sqft

DLF

Gardencity - 3200/sqft - was told slash in prices expected in coming weeks.

Doshi Housing

Etopia I and II - Perungudi - 3895/sqft
Nakshatra - Tambaram - 2995/sqft - Completion May 2010
Tranquil - Velachery - 5500/sqft - Completion February 2010
Trinity park - Santhoshpuram,Vengaivasal - 3195/sqft - Completion April 2009
Serene Couny-Villas - Santhoshpuram,Vengaivasal - 2200,2600/sqft
LlanStephan - Chetpet - 9000/sqft - Completion May 2009
Sri Mahalakshmi - Ayanavaram - 4495/sqft - Ready to Occupy

ETA

Rosedale - OMR - 3100/sqft
Le Chalet - Villas - Sriperambudhur - 26 Lakhs - 37 Lakhs

Hiranandani Upscale - 4200/sqft

Hiranandani Palace Gardens - 3475/sqft

Indus Housing

anantya - Navalur,OMR - 2299/sqft + 400(other charges)
riviera villa - Navalur,OMR - 90 Lakhs onwards
habittera - urapakkam,GST - 2399/sqft + 400(other charges)
amber - Saidapet - 4750/sqft

Jain Housing

Ankush Prakas - Kilpauk - 7500/sqft - Ready to occupy
Amrit Kailash - Strahns Road - 4500/sqft - Ready to occupy
La Gardenia - Nungabakkam - 7500/sqft - Ready to occupy
Ansruta - Valluvarkottam, nungabakkam - 10000/sqft - Ready to occupy
Antariska - Kodambakkam - 4500/sqft - Ready to occupy
Eiffel Garden - Vadapalani - 4250/sqft - Ready to occupy
Saagarika - M.R.C Nagar, sea facing - 10000/12500 - Ready to occupy
Green acres - Pallavaram - 3900/sqft - Ready to occupy
Abhishek - Selaiyur - 3500/sqft - Ready to occupy.

Jamals

Orchid - Palikkarnai - 3500/sqft
Palazzo - keelkattalai - 3700/sqft
Grandeur - Velappanchavadi(near saveetha dental college) - 3200/sqft

KGEYES

3 Projects on L.B.Road, Thiruvanmiyur - 6650/sqft
Delmare - Beach road,Thiruvanmiyur - 7000/sqft
Carolina - Velachery,Taramani - 4500/sqft
Swathi - Sastri Nagar,Adyar - 8500/sqft
Kalakshetra - 8000/sqft

Landmark Constructions

Tiara - Perungudi - 4000/sqft - Completion on August 2009
Aston Ville - Vadapalani - 5500 sqft - Completion on July 2009
Tudors Place - K.K.Nagar - 6500/sqft
The Address - Adyar - 11500/sqft
The Grange - Palavakkam - 7500/sqft
Cenralia - Chrompet - 2950/sqft - prelaunch
Gem Towers - AnnaNagar - To be launched.
Mahalakshmi Heights - Ashok Nagar - To be launched

L&T Estancia
Construction in Progress
1st-3rd Floor - 3950/sqft
4th -12 floor - floor rise charge of 20/sqft for each floor
13th - 17th - 4450/qft

L&T Eden Park - 3600/sqft

Mantri Synergy - OMR
2800/sqft - with 20/floor rise
Special offer - First Floor - all inclusive
1140 sqft - 33,67,000
870 sqft - 28,50,000

Navin Housing

Dayton Heights - Nelson Manickam road - 6500/sqft + 30/sqft floor rise from 2nd floor
Subha Mangala - Ramapuram - 4200/sqft
Brookfield - Nanmangalam - 3500/sqft
Merrylands - Medavakkam - 3500/sqft

Olympia Opaline - 3441/sqft - spl budget flats available

PACE Builders

Anna nagar west - 4195/sqft - before discount 4495/sqft
Selaiyur - 3195/sqft - before discount 3495/sqft
Valasarvakkam - 2795/sqft - before discount 3295/sqft

PS Srijan

The Grand - Velachery - 5250 sqft - before discount 5500/sqft - Floor Rise applicable from 4th floor

Rajparis

Harmony - Medavakkam - 3100/sqft

Rajarathnam Constructions

RC Prince Gardenia - Perambur redhill road,Kolathur - 3600/sqft

Rajkham

Independant houses - Ayyapathangal - 2600/sqft

Real Value

Sai Skanda - Velachery - 4200/sqft
Sai Surya - Palikaranai - 3800/sqft
OMR opp SIPCOT - 13.20 Lakhs onwards

Shriram Properties

Trishakti - SIPCOT - 2750/sqft
Shankari - 1990/sqft

Sidharth foundations

Tulip - k.k.nagar west - 4800/sqft - completion march 2009
Natura - medavakkam - 3100 /sqft - completion july 2009
Visvaleela - Annanagar - 8500 /sqft - to be launched
Dakshin - Urapakkam - price TBD - to be launched
upcoming projects in porur, thoraipakkam, rajkeelpakkam, mogappair.

SIS

Safaa - Urappakam - 3150/sqft

SSPDL

Crescent - Kelambakkam - Vandalur Road - 2500/sqft
Upcoming 2 villa project one in OMR and one in Sriperambathur.

Sumanth & Co

Thiruvanmiyur - 6000/sqft
Besant Nagar - 11500/sqft

TVH

Lumbini square - Pursaiwalkam - 5500/sqft + 30/sqft floor rise from 5th floor
Ouranya Bay(Premium) - OMR,Padur - 3100,3200 + 25/sqft floor rise from 5th floor
Ouranya Bay(Budget) - 2bhk - 20 Lakhs
3bhk - 30 Lakhs
Ekanta - Coimbatore - 3100/sqft
Revata - Mogappair east - 4500/sqft
Kamya - K.K,Nagar - 7000/sqft
Metro Golden Nest - Sriperambathur - 1bhk - 15 Lakhs
2bhk - 22 Lakhs
3bhk - 28 Lakhs

VGN Group

Minerva - Mogappair,Nolumbur - 2975/sqft
3 in 1, 4 in 1 - 3800/sqft
Mahalakshmi Nagar,Thiruverkadu - 3500/sqft
Plots
Mugalivakkam - 52 Lakhs/grnd
Selaiyur - 50 Lakhs/grnd
SPKoil - 34 Lakhs/grnd
Katankulathur - 22-27 Lakhs/grnd

Yuga Homes

Shem Park - chemmenachery - 3300/sqft
Upcoming in Koyambedu, R.A.Puram(8000/sqft)



There are lots of properties and also lots of potential buyers.There is sure a sense of uncertainity among the builders and also the buyers on when to make the next move.It was evident that correction in RE prices have started to happen.

Requesting members to respond with their thoughts on the current trend.
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  • Originally Posted by sh1729
    Hey thanks wiseman. Staying that way. No plans in starting any business ventures out of it though.
    Money has nothing to do with any of the factors involved. I have known people 1000 times poorer than me leading normal happy lives. At some point people have to understand that money is not the be all and end all.
    The way the ratio is screwed is a matter of grave concern. It's a crime and goverment although has passed laws on that matter needs to do far more than what's its doing currently. I know few NGOs have taken the matter seriously. The govt needs to do more in changing the perception of the public. I would consider it to be more important than FDI in retail and aviation -- pun intended.
    The factor is all have arguments. It's not like I do not have any fights in the 8+ years (3 yrs friendship, 2 years of love, 1 yr courtship and 2 + yrs of marriage) I have known my wife for, but it's about handing things diplomatically. The disagreements are natural and could even be on what to have for dinner -- poori or pongal :D. I guess diplomatic solution is the only advice I would give to any couple facing this situation. On the larger scheme of things I would suggest the same to Iran and Israel:D.
    Also on how love marriage in mocked in our society. Even many of my friends, seniors and cousins advised me to concentrate on my career and not to waste my time on love affairs. Many are now 30+, so called successful (Consultant for BCG) and single. I recently met one such guy to see him buy a Louis Vutton laptop bag for 2 lakhs . I seriously don't get it. Why did he sacrifice all his life focusing on career just to earn a big fat salary and spend the money to purchase a trendy laptop bag.
    The social values we have incorporated which focuses purely on studies in early stages and lays more emphasis on a flashy visiting card, impressive resume and healthy bank balance above all else including the person that you are is a bad joke:(!


    I've also wondered why some of my school and college mates are still single or yet to have children, but then all these will not make difference 15 yrs from now, their kids will be just a few years younger than mine (hoping they'll eventually marry and have kids!). A very old person I know has 4 grown up children and several grandchildren. He said he got married only at age of 35. When we look at his family now, it doesn't matter anymore that he got married very late.

    Ultimately all that matters is how healthy we keep ourselves, how well we manage the family and most important of all, how we secure ourself financially.
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  • My post, if unclear should not be misunderstood that finacial security is not important. It is a necessary part of life, but only a part of life - not life itself. There is more to life than assets, money, career etc..
    I did not mean to discourage people who work hard in any manner, just clarifying on the fact that you should not sacrifice the all other important tenants of life on a single goal of financial security.
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  • Originally Posted by sh1729
    My post, if unclear should not be misunderstood that finacial security is not important. It is a necessary part of life, but only a part of life - not life itself. There is more to life than assets, money, career etc..
    I did not mean to discourage people who work hard in any manner, just clarifying on the fact that you should not sacrifice the all other important tenants of life on a single goal of financial security.


    True! Along the lines of "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" , "All money and no life makes Jack a rich loner".

    Want to clarify, by "life" I dont mean the current misconception of "having fun in life = partying" but the a more broader view which covers various other important things like mingling with family, relatives, treks, vacation etc
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  • The fact that we are talking about personal life and marriages in a Price trend forum is valid from my point of view. The impact of Price trend in life is what is being discussed but in an implicit manner.

    If I see it in another way, the Price trends have stagnated and there is not much to talk about it, and hence we have moved to personal life :D
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  • With new data comes new insight!

    Originally Posted by sh1729
    Hey thanks wiseman. Staying that way. No plans in starting any business ventures out of it though.
    Money has nothing to do with any of the factors involved. I have known people 1000 times poorer than me leading normal happy lives. At some point people have to understand that money is not the be all and end all.
    The way the ratio is screwed is a matter of grave concern. It's a crime and goverment although has passed laws on that matter needs to do far more than what's its doing currently. I know few NGOs have taken the matter seriously. The govt needs to do more in changing the perception of the public. I would consider it to be more important than FDI in retail and aviation -- pun intended.
    The factor is all have arguments. It's not like I do not have any fights in the 8+ years (3 yrs friendship, 2 years of love, 1 yr courtship and 2 + yrs of marriage) I have known my wife for, but it's about handing things diplomatically. The disagreements are natural and could even be on what to have for dinner -- poori or pongal :D. I guess diplomatic solution is the only advice I would give to any couple facing this situation. On the larger scheme of things I would suggest the same to Iran and Israel:D.
    Also on how love marriage in mocked in our society. Even many of my friends, seniors and cousins advised me to concentrate on my career and not to waste my time on love affairs. Many are now 30+, so called successful (Consultant for BCG) and single. I recently met one such guy to see him buy a Louis Vutton laptop bag for 2 lakhs . I seriously don't get it. Why did he sacrifice all his life focusing on career just to earn a big fat salary and spend the money to purchase a trendy laptop bag.
    The social values we have incorporated which focuses purely on studies in early stages and lays more emphasis on a flashy visiting card, impressive resume and healthy bank balance above all else including the person that you are is a bad joke:(!


    Ok. Now I get it. So, its only 2 years of marriage! Given that at least 1 year is Honeymoon and maybe 1 year minimum as cooling period, your challenges lie ahead of you friend.

    In my case, it was the 2nd half of the 80s. We were from completely different religions (each from the priestly class which is the most fanatical about these things) she was (now veg for 23 years) totally non-veg (me, I'd only touched animals that still moved! So on ...

    3 years of refraining from marriage (after deciding to) to ensure that we bring both families in on it. Remember, back in the 1980s such things were still very rare, starting to come in slowly!

    We just celebrated our 23rd Anniversary a week ago!

    To keep it short, the most important advice ...

    - Always keep the other informed about your life-impacting choices as early as possible. Adjust at any cost to ensure that it still fits the other's core outlook and needs in life (otherwise, its downhill very rapidly after that!)

    - Be prepared for a gradual decline in the sparkle and magic (it happens to everyone), but thats like settling down over time in your favorite recliner ... in some areas the cushion adjusts to fit you, in others you adjust to fit he chair till both blend well ... :D

    - This is probably going to be your best time going forward (in general, childhood was the best time in our life, but we knew that only in college ... then college was the second-best time, but we got to know that only in our early career ... then our early career was the third bst period of our lives, but we got to know that only in middle-age ... you get the picture!

    Enjoy now like you are never going to get it again! Probably you won't!!! :)

    cheers
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    Originally Posted by wiseman
    Ok. Now I get it. So, its only 2 years of marriage! Given that at least 1 year is Honeymoon and maybe 1 year minimum as cooling period, your challenges lie ahead of you friend.

    In my case, it was the 2nd half of the 80s. We were from completely different religions (each from the priestly class which is the most fanatical about these things) she was (now veg for 23 years) totally non-veg (me, I'd only touched animals that still moved! So on ...

    3 years of refraining from marriage (after deciding to) to ensure that we bring both families in on it. Remember, back in the 1980s such things were still very rare, starting to come in slowly!

    We just celebrated our 23rd Anniversary a week ago!

    To keep it short, the most important advice ...

    - Always keep the other informed about your life-impacting choices as early as possible. Adjust at any cost to ensure that it still fits the other's core outlook and needs in life (otherwise, its downhill very rapidly after that!)

    - Be prepared for a gradual decline in the sparkle and magic (it happens to everyone), but thats like settling down over time in your favorite recliner ... in some areas the cushion adjusts to fit you, in others you adjust to fit he chair till both blend well ... :D

    - This is probably going to be your best time going forward (in general, childhood was the best time in our life, but we knew that only in college ... then college was the second-best time, but we got to know that only in our early career ... then our early career was the third bst period of our lives, but we got to know that only in middle-age ... you get the picture!

    Enjoy now like you are never going to get it again! Probably you won't!!! :)

    cheers
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  • Originally Posted by wiseman
    Ok. Now I get it. So, its only 2 years of marriage! Given that at least 1 year is Honeymoon and maybe 1 year minimum as cooling period, your challenges lie ahead of you friend.

    In my case, it was the 2nd half of the 80s. We were from completely different religions (each from the priestly class which is the most fanatical about these things) she was (now veg for 23 years) totally non-veg (me, I'd only touched animals that still moved! So on ...

    3 years of refraining from marriage (after deciding to) to ensure that we bring both families in on it. Remember, back in the 1980s such things were still very rare, starting to come in slowly!

    We just celebrated our 23rd Anniversary a week ago!

    To keep it short, the most important advice ...

    - Always keep the other informed about your life-impacting choices as early as possible. Adjust at any cost to ensure that it still fits the other's core outlook and needs in life (otherwise, its downhill very rapidly after that!)

    - Be prepared for a gradual decline in the sparkle and magic (it happens to everyone), but thats like settling down over time in your favorite recliner ... in some areas the cushion adjusts to fit you, in others you adjust to fit he chair till both blend well ... :D

    - This is probably going to be your best time going forward (in general, childhood was the best time in our life, but we knew that only in college ... then college was the second-best time, but we got to know that only in our early career ... then our early career was the third bst period of our lives, but we got to know that only in middle-age ... you get the picture!

    Enjoy now like you are never going to get it again! Probably you won't!!! :)

    cheers

    :). Guess time is the greatest asset of all. Nice to know.
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  • Originally Posted by wiseman
    Ok. Now I get it. So, its only 2 years of marriage! Given that at least 1 year is Honeymoon and maybe 1 year minimum as cooling period, your challenges lie ahead of you friend.

    In my case, it was the 2nd half of the 80s. We were from completely different religions (each from the priestly class which is the most fanatical about these things) she was (now veg for 23 years) totally non-veg (me, I'd only touched animals that still moved! So on ...

    3 years of refraining from marriage (after deciding to) to ensure that we bring both families in on it. Remember, back in the 1980s such things were still very rare, starting to come in slowly!

    We just celebrated our 23rd Anniversary a week ago!

    To keep it short, the most important advice ...

    - Always keep the other informed about your life-impacting choices as early as possible. Adjust at any cost to ensure that it still fits the other's core outlook and needs in life (otherwise, its downhill very rapidly after that!)

    - Be prepared for a gradual decline in the sparkle and magic (it happens to everyone), but thats like settling down over time in your favorite recliner ... in some areas the cushion adjusts to fit you, in others you adjust to fit he chair till both blend well ... :D

    - This is probably going to be your best time going forward (in general, childhood was the best time in our life, but we knew that only in college ... then college was the second-best time, but we got to know that only in our early career ... then our early career was the third bst period of our lives, but we got to know that only in middle-age ... you get the picture!

    Enjoy now like you are never going to get it again! Probably you won't!!! :)

    cheers


    Really Wise Wiseman!
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  • Originally Posted by wiseman
    Ok. Now I get it. So, its only 2 years of marriage! Given that at least 1 year is Honeymoon and maybe 1 year minimum as cooling period, your challenges lie ahead of you friend.

    In my case, it was the 2nd half of the 80s. We were from completely different religions (each from the priestly class which is the most fanatical about these things) she was (now veg for 23 years) totally non-veg (me, I'd only touched animals that still moved! So on ...

    3 years of refraining from marriage (after deciding to) to ensure that we bring both families in on it. Remember, back in the 1980s such things were still very rare, starting to come in slowly!

    We just celebrated our 23rd Anniversary a week ago!

    To keep it short, the most important advice ...

    - Always keep the other informed about your life-impacting choices as early as possible. Adjust at any cost to ensure that it still fits the other's core outlook and needs in life (otherwise, its downhill very rapidly after that!)

    - Be prepared for a gradual decline in the sparkle and magic (it happens to everyone), but thats like settling down over time in your favorite recliner ... in some areas the cushion adjusts to fit you, in others you adjust to fit he chair till both blend well ... :D

    - This is probably going to be your best time going forward (in general, childhood was the best time in our life, but we knew that only in college ... then college was the second-best time, but we got to know that only in our early career ... then our early career was the third bst period of our lives, but we got to know that only in middle-age ... you get the picture!

    Enjoy now like you are never going to get it again! Probably you won't!!! :)

    cheers


    After reading ur post, I feel like I have watched a biopic movie :) Altho many can derive this knowledge if they closely observe their parents!

    Main difference between previous generation and this generation, is that those days couples decided to stay with each other even if they dont fit in until the end, some due to matured understanding of each other and some just got accustomed to tolerating the partner!

    But nowadays due to the stressful work life and competition and ever increasing prices, bad quality of air/food/water all put together, Couples have been less tolerant to each other's mistakes however meaningless and small they are. The Adjustment Percentage has dipped from 90 % to 60 % may be. Just using imaginary numbers to show that it has dipped drastically.

    Also there is a lot of unnecessary pampering needed and every small thing is being taken too seriously. May be due to adoption of western life etc!
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  • Originally Posted by wiseman
    Ok. Now I get it. So, its only 2 years of marriage! Given that at least 1 year is Honeymoon and maybe 1 year minimum as cooling period, your challenges lie ahead of you friend.

    In my case, it was the 2nd half of the 80s. We were from completely different religions (each from the priestly class which is the most fanatical about these things) she was (now veg for 23 years) totally non-veg (me, I'd only touched animals that still moved! So on ...

    3 years of refraining from marriage (after deciding to) to ensure that we bring both families in on it. Remember, back in the 1980s such things were still very rare, starting to come in slowly!

    We just celebrated our 23rd Anniversary a week ago!

    To keep it short, the most important advice ...

    - Always keep the other informed about your life-impacting choices as early as possible. Adjust at any cost to ensure that it still fits the other's core outlook and needs in life (otherwise, its downhill very rapidly after that!)

    - Be prepared for a gradual decline in the sparkle and magic (it happens to everyone), but thats like settling down over time in your favorite recliner ... in some areas the cushion adjusts to fit you, in others you adjust to fit he chair till both blend well ... :D

    - This is probably going to be your best time going forward (in general, childhood was the best time in our life, but we knew that only in college ... then college was the second-best time, but we got to know that only in our early career ... then our early career was the third bst period of our lives, but we got to know that only in middle-age ... you get the picture!

    Enjoy now like you are never going to get it again! Probably you won't!!! :)

    cheers


    The challenge you've today with couples are to manage work-life balance. Probably women work as hard, if not more to reach where they are on corporate ladder- throw-in lack of family support like in previous generation.

    WM- Probably my take is bit different, if you are living on an alien land. First 2 years are the most challenging - difference arises due to little understanding and strong identity overlapping. But things settle as we move forward- financial stability is one of the concern, not as big as it touted it to be.
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  • What I have noticed is that there are lot more girls who have feminist attitudes in Chennai. Nothing wrong in that, but it scares me sometimes especially when you have to live together with a person you do not know a lot. Around four months ago I got an invite from a Chennai based girl on Shaadi.com. She chatted for sometime and asked me to call. Man, that was the worst phone call I encountered, she was rude and not pleasant at all. After that I decided, no more Chennai girls. Not to stereotype but it seems there are some cases like that. I am sure there are crazy guys too.

    I do not see that from a bit older women, probably they understand the real world bit more. Same thing with younger girls too, they also seem fine. I have went out with few people and I have met a some nice folks, but unfortunately issues like location, etc come in between.
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  • I wouldn't say it's cause for concern, if someone has strong identity. With mutual trust it will mellow down, but it will be like river rafting on early days :).

    Actually it will help in long run to share responsibilities on both front. Unless people have preference over home maker.
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  • Originally Posted by k11
    What I have noticed is that there are lot more girls who have feminist attitudes in Chennai. Nothing wrong in that, but it scares me sometimes especially when you have to live together with a person you do not know a lot. Around four months ago I got an invite from a Chennai based girl on Shaadi.com. She chatted for sometime and asked me to call. Man, that was the worst phone call I encountered, she was rude and not pleasant at all. After that I decided, no more Chennai girls. Not to stereotype but it seems there are some cases like that. I am sure there are crazy guys too.

    I do not see that from a bit older women, probably they understand the real world bit more. Same thing with younger girls too, they also seem fine. I have went out with few people and I have met a some nice folks, but unfortunately issues like location, etc come in between.


    Don't write off Chennai girls so quickly.
    There is little about Chennai(or any city for that matter) that can influence a girl's real character. It's always their friends,co-workers,family that is going to influence their attitude and habits. In my experience I've found Tamil and Telugu girls more conservative and rude(to talk to). North Indian girls are more pleasing to talk to. But, you have to see past that. Any body who lived in Coimbatore, will tell you how rude the people are in Chennai, but that doesn't make Coimbatore people better than Chennaites. When it comes to marriage you have to see past such pleasant/rudeness in talking, which is a challenge because they can be big turnoffs especially initially when you know nothing about the person and it's easier to dismiss with the multitude of options(matrimonial sites is a curse for this generation!).
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  • @Wiseman lives true to his username :) Wise words, indeed.
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  • I logged in to find the property rates and related things but all of a sudden went through the discussion taken by surprise, Words of wise man with wisdom about life and its roller coaster rides and how to sustain those times really needs appreciation 23 years of giving forgiving trust anger hats off to you Wise man.....
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