What are your views on this situation? Is this real INJUSTICE to the farmers or just their Greed.

The timings is very correct for farmers, Elections next year, support from Congress, Under Construction projects after excavation land can not be back to the original fertile state.
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  • Now we see the farmers pressurizing everybody. Where were the farmers when the excavation started on their mother. If they would have stopped the excavation then after court decision land could have returned to them and all the buyers would not have suffered.

    It seems like farmers never wanted their land back and they are not weak see them saying "Noida Thap kar denge" They could have easily stopped when big machines were installed there for excavation. Now in this INJUSTICE vs GREED fight I again feel this is GREED of farmers.
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  • Greed is not a bad term and is always relative, almost evryone is greedy.
    lets take this example:-
    1) you buy a plot for 30 lacs today July 2011, residential land
    2) In 2012 authority says this land is required for some industrial project, pays you 35 lacs and further sells it for 1 crore. You are not happy with it but as the system works no option so you file a case in the court
    3) Later court gives the decision in your favor
    4) Authority still needs your land as they have allocated it to another company


    Now you know that they need it and you are the boss, what will you do just ask the authority to pay you the decent premium like 50 lacs or go for the best that you can get. If i am the person and i see a very little chance of authority paying 1 crore, i will quote that figure and will be proud and term it as "chance pe dance".

    I think so we can call it "greed" if we are on the other side but if smbdy puts us into the same situation we will call it "chance pe dance".


    Now if we say even the farmers those who have taken the compensation long back and are now asking for more....then thats the attitude like "try karne mein kya jaata hai, mil gya to theek hai nai to...." and thats also quite normal behaviour.

    So in my opinion the real culprits are Govt, authority, courts and builders....farmers behaviour is the normal human sentiment.

    Originally Posted by Gagan Singh
    Now we see the farmers pressurizing everybody. Where were the farmers when the excavation started on their mother. If they would have stopped the excavation then after court decision land could have returned to them and all the buyers would not have suffered.

    It seems like farmers never wanted their land back and they are not weak see them saying "Noida Thap kar denge" They could have easily stopped when big machines were installed there for excavation. Now in this INJUSTICE vs GREED fight I again feel this is GREED of farmers.
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  • farmers filed the cases long back, courts have delayed the judgment so we should be asking "where were the courts when the excavation starterd"

    Originally Posted by Gagan Singh
    Now we see the farmers pressurizing everybody. Where were the farmers when the excavation started on their mother. If they would have stopped the excavation then after court decision land could have returned to them and all the buyers would not have suffered.

    It seems like farmers never wanted their land back and they are not weak see them saying "Noida Thap kar denge" They could have easily stopped when big machines were installed there for excavation. Now in this INJUSTICE vs GREED fight I again feel this is GREED of farmers.
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  • Originally Posted by chirag999
    farmers filed the cases long back, courts have delayed the judgment so we should be asking "where were the courts when the excavation starterd"


    Everybody is already blaming court. That is not debatable. Point is where were farmers?
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  • Originally Posted by chirag999
    Greed is not a bad term and is always relative, almost evryone is greedy.
    lets take this example:-
    1) you buy a plot for 30 lacs today July 2011, residential land
    2) In 2012 authority says this land is required for some industrial project, pays you 35 lacs and further sells it for 1 crore. You are not happy with it but as the system works no option so you file a case in the court
    3) Later court gives the decision in your favor
    4) Authority still needs your land as they have allocated it to another company


    Now you know that they need it and you are the boss, what will you do just ask the authority to pay you the decent premium like 50 lacs or go for the best that you can get. If i am the person and i see a very little chance of authority paying 1 crore, i will quote that figure and will be proud and term it as "chance pe dance".

    I think so we can call it "greed" if we are on the other side but if smbdy puts us into the same situation we will call it "chance pe dance".


    Now if we say even the farmers those who have taken the compensation long back and are now asking for more....then thats the attitude like "try karne mein kya jaata hai, mil gya to theek hai nai to...." and thats also quite normal behaviour.

    So in my opinion the real culprits are Govt, authority, courts and builders....farmers behaviour is the normal human sentiment.



    There was a land somewhere in Noida Extension. Authority thought it is good chance to make money, builders got a chance to make money. This is also 'chance pe dance'.

    If you look it 'Chance pe dance' to fulfil your desire for money is 'GREED' this is what Farmers are doing. Hearing 'FARMERS' make us emotional and we all are always thinking in a positive way for them.
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  • I am not a farmer and not here to favour them also...
    This thing is very much clear that they are just trying to get more and more money as they see it as a golden chance...

    I do not believe them for their terminology like "mother" and know that they want to make good money ( there may be a few exceptions) but then my point is that why are even expecting them to come any say " we are looking for more money and thats our only objective". Let them do their senti talks, analyzing farmers behaviour is of no use to us, they have the upper hand so you should expect all this...
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  • Originally Posted by chirag999
    farmers filed the cases long back, courts have delayed the judgment so we should be asking "where were the courts when the excavation starterd"


    Read the following from the judgement:

    34. We find that the builders who have been allotted land, and are raising constructions on it, have taken possession on their risk and cost. It is difficult to believe that they were not aware that the acquisition of land in Village Patwari is under challenge in the High Court. They never sought impleadment in the writ petition and apply for vacating the interim order. The allotment of land to them and the constructions raised by them are clearly in contempt of the order of the court directing the parties to maintain status quo. The officers of GNIDA were fully aware of the interim orders and they were not expected to allot the land and allow the builders to start construction and to book flats. The builders are not necessary parties to these proceedings, nor they have any equity in their favour. They got allotment of land on down payment of 5 % of the premium and execution of lease deeds. We did not hear some of the counsels appearing for the builders, as they have not filed any application for impleadment. They are not even aware of the Khata number of the village, on which they are raising constructions
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  • In one of my earlier posts I had discussed this in detail. You can read it at this link:

    https://www.indianrealestateforum.com/forum/city-forums/ncr-real-estate/gurgaon-real-estate/180-gurgaon-master-plan-2021-live-in-the-present-or-dream-about-future?p=116424#post116424

    Before we talk about Greed or Injustice, we need to differentiate between "Bhumidar" (landlords owning large tracks of land > 50 acres), Marginal Farmers (very small land holdings < 2.5 acres) and Landless Labourers.

    Landless Labourers are the those who do not own any land of their own and work on land owned by "Bhumidars" during the harvesting season for something like 50-75 rupees per day. During off season they have to find work in Govt sponsored schemes to sustain themselves.

    Bhumidars own huge tracks of land and they either hire landless labourers to work in their fields or give their lands on lease in return for either 50% of produce or its money equivalent.

    Marginal Farmers on the other hand have very small land holdings and the size of their holding is so small that they barely manage to produce enough to ensure their families survival. Because of the pride associated with being landowner they can not and do not go to work as labourers in fields owned by others. They have to manage in whatever they manage to produce from their land. In case of crop failure they have no alternative but to borrow money against their land at exorbitant rates of interest. Most of the farmer suicide cases that you hear of, belong to this group.

    When Govt notifies land in any particular region it impacts each segment differently.

    The Labourers are the worst affected as they loose the only livelihood source they have. They have no alternative but to move out of the village and go and seek employment elsewhere like construction sites, etc or may be even begging. The package announced by the Govt has nothing for them.

    The Marginal Farmer gets some money but now that he has lost his land, his condition is no better than that of the Landless Labourers. The only differnce being the money he gets (few lakhs, 850 per sq meter it will work out approx 34 lakhs per acre). If they are wise they can invest this money in a planned manner and grow economically. But that rarely happens, due to lack of education and peer pressure. In less than 2 to 3 years they manage to spend all their money. About 70% of farmers fall in this category.

    The Bhumidars on the other hand get few crores (17 crores for every 50 acre of land). Irrespective of the size of their family this kind of money is more than sufficient for anyone. If invested purely in Bank FD's it will earn 13.6 lakhs per annum 8%; more than 1 lakh per month, without as much as moving a finger.

    Before we proceed let me also talk about the term "Land Reforms". This is necessary as everyone should know how all these people, who call themselves "farmers", got the agricultural land they are fighting for.

    At the time of Independence almost all agricultural land was owned by Zamindars. Govt of India and various state Govts brought the Zamindary abolition laws where it was required that every zamindar owning more than a certain area of land give it to the Govt. This limit varied from 40 acres to 70 or 100 acres in various states, depending on the size of family and various other factors. Govt of India paid approximately 7000 crore rupees to the Zamindars in 50's and 60's as compensation for giving up land. This land was then distributed among the Landless Labourers with objective of giving them an opportunity to earn a decent living.

    Such scheme were launched repeatedly up till the 90's under various names. However very limited success was achieved, because most of the Zamindars used inherent loop holes in the policy/law to retain land far greater than the limit prescribed.

    Had these schemes been implemented properly no one would be holding land greater than 70 acres in UP. But the truth is that there are several landowners in GB Nagar who own 300 - 500 acres of land and they have shamelessly given statements to the Newspapers that they lost 300 or 500 acres of land in NE.

    {Regardless of the outcome of the NE dispute, farmers who are still owning such huge lands should first be penalized for cheating the Govt over the decades. Secondly they should be paid at the rates prescribed during 50's when the first land reform act was introduced and not at current rates.}

    When the land acquired from Zamindar's was distributed among the landless labourers the objective was to give them an opportunity to earn a decent living. Needless to say that majority of the land distributed by the Govt was cornered by people in powerful positions, people close to the 'patwari' who was responsible for this activity. Over the decades whatever land that was actually allotted to the needy farmers got further divided between their children and resulted in the average land holding size reducing further; or was taken over by the Zamindars when they failed to repay their loans. In 2001 more than 68% of landholdings in GB Nagar was less than 2.5 acres in size.

    As a result, instead of bringing development of farmers this resulted in farmers becoming more and more poor. While the Zamindars who always had a upper hand continued to grow at the expense of the tax payers money.

    Now based on the above statements, it should be relatively easy to figure out which segment of the rural population got royally Scre***, which segement of population Scre*** themselves and which segment of population is being plain and simple Greedy.

    I rest my case.
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  • Originally Posted by amarakbar
    Read the following from the judgement:

    34. We find that the builders who have been allotted land, and are raising constructions on it, have taken possession on their risk and cost. It is difficult to believe that they were not aware that the acquisition of land in Village Patwari is under challenge in the High Court. They never sought impleadment in the writ petition and apply for vacating the interim order. The allotment of land to them and the constructions raised by them are clearly in contempt of the order of the court directing the parties to maintain status quo. The officers of GNIDA were fully aware of the interim orders and they were not expected to allot the land and allow the builders to start construction and to book flats. The builders are not necessary parties to these proceedings, nor they have any equity in their favour. They got allotment of land on down payment of 5 % of the premium and execution of lease deeds. We did not hear some of the counsels appearing for the builders, as they have not filed any application for impleadment. They are not even aware of the Khata number of the village, on which they are raising constructions


    So, the interim order of the court in Patwari case was that of Status Quo. Still builders took possession and started construction. They also took booking snd made agreements with the customers. Banks gave loan despite status quo order by the court. Unbelievable. How can this happen? Bechara buyer got trapped in this unholy nexus. The buyers collectively should file a case in Consumer Court. They have a good case.
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  • ...and all the guilty should be punished severly.
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  • Conduct of Bank officials in sanctioning loan when there was a stay order in NE, Patwari village should also be probed.

    They are equally responsible for the mess in which consumers find themselves.
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  • As per TimesofIndia News, The Farmers also doing agitation for the City Centre (Sec 32, 25) Noida Land acquired by Emergency Clause in 1976 Rs 4.

    In 2010 the same had been sold to builders 1.04 Lakhs.

    So even if Farmers put the Rs 4 in Bank FD it could not have been more than 50 even composite interest. Height of injustice to Poor Farmers atleast as per Court (Land aquired 10 years back or 35 yrs back should be same if Emergency Clause applied ) !!! :(-


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  • Dirty Politics & Greed

    We all need to undertstand that authority acquires very raw land from farmers. Then they develop roads, electricity, sewer lines, water lines etc & then the land is called developed. The price of land will certailny increase many-folds. The land becomes residential & residential land is always costlier than agricultural land. So if a rs. 800/- yard raw land is sold at Rs. 8000/- yard after full development & 20 year of time-span, nothing wrong in it. In 1990's, there were not so good roads, no metro, no DND, no flyovers, no parks etc in Noida. Now we have evrything. So land prices are bound to increase.

    Apart from few genuine cases, whatever going on is just dirty politics & greed from farmers to encash the situation where-in elections are coming in next 6-7 months.
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  • This is pure GREED of farmers fueled by Congress !! :bab (45):
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  • Originally Posted by king_jsr
    In one of my earlier posts I had discussed this in detail. You can read it at this link:

    https://www.indianrealestateforum.com/forum/city-forums/ncr-real-estate/gurgaon-real-estate/180-gurgaon-master-plan-2021-live-in-the-present-or-dream-about-future?p=116424#post116424

    Before we talk about Greed or Injustice, we need to differentiate between "Bhumidar" (landlords owning large tracks of land > 50 acres), Marginal Farmers (very small land holdings < 2.5 acres) and Landless Labourers.

    Landless Labourers are the those who do not own any land of their own and work on land owned by "Bhumidars" during the harvesting season for something like 50-75 rupees per day. During off season they have to find work in Govt sponsored schemes to sustain themselves.

    Bhumidars own huge tracks of land and they either hire landless labourers to work in their fields or give their lands on lease in return for either 50% of produce or its money equivalent.

    Marginal Farmers on the other hand have very small land holdings and the size of their holding is so small that they barely manage to produce enough to ensure their families survival. Because of the pride associated with being landowner they can not and do not go to work as labourers in fields owned by others. They have to manage in whatever they manage to produce from their land. In case of crop failure they have no alternative but to borrow money against their land at exorbitant rates of interest. Most of the farmer suicide cases that you hear of, belong to this group.

    When Govt notifies land in any particular region it impacts each segment differently.

    The Labourers are the worst affected as they loose the only livelihood source they have. They have no alternative but to move out of the village and go and seek employment elsewhere like construction sites, etc or may be even begging. The package announced by the Govt has nothing for them.

    The Marginal Farmer gets some money but now that he has lost his land, his condition is no better than that of the Landless Labourers. The only differnce being the money he gets (few lakhs, 850 per sq meter it will work out approx 34 lakhs per acre). If they are wise they can invest this money in a planned manner and grow economically. But that rarely happens, due to lack of education and peer pressure. In less than 2 to 3 years they manage to spend all their money. About 70% of farmers fall in this category.

    The Bhumidars on the other hand get few crores (17 crores for every 50 acre of land). Irrespective of the size of their family this kind of money is more than sufficient for anyone. If invested purely in Bank FD's it will earn 13.6 lakhs per annum 8%; more than 1 lakh per month, without as much as moving a finger.

    Before we proceed let me also talk about the term "Land Reforms". This is necessary as everyone should know how all these people, who call themselves "farmers", got the agricultural land they are fighting for.

    At the time of Independence almost all agricultural land was owned by Zamindars. Govt of India and various state Govts brought the Zamindary abolition laws where it was required that every zamindar owning more than a certain area of land give it to the Govt. This limit varied from 40 acres to 70 or 100 acres in various states, depending on the size of family and various other factors. Govt of India paid approximately 7000 crore rupees to the Zamindars in 50's and 60's as compensation for giving up land. This land was then distributed among the Landless Labourers with objective of giving them an opportunity to earn a decent living.

    Such scheme were launched repeatedly up till the 90's under various names. However very limited success was achieved, because most of the Zamindars used inherent loop holes in the policy/law to retain land far greater than the limit prescribed.

    Had these schemes been implemented properly no one would be holding land greater than 70 acres in UP. But the truth is that there are several landowners in GB Nagar who own 300 - 500 acres of land and they have shamelessly given statements to the Newspapers that they lost 300 or 500 acres of land in NE.

    {Regardless of the outcome of the NE dispute, farmers who are still owning such huge lands should first be penalized for cheating the Govt over the decades. Secondly they should be paid at the rates prescribed during 50's when the first land reform act was introduced and not at current rates.}

    When the land acquired from Zamindar's was distributed among the landless labourers the objective was to give them an opportunity to earn a decent living. Needless to say that majority of the land distributed by the Govt was cornered by people in powerful positions, people close to the 'patwari' who was responsible for this activity. Over the decades whatever land that was actually allotted to the needy farmers got further divided between their children and resulted in the average land holding size reducing further; or was taken over by the Zamindars when they failed to repay their loans. In 2001 more than 68% of landholdings in GB Nagar was less than 2.5 acres in size.

    As a result, instead of bringing development of farmers this resulted in farmers becoming more and more poor. While the Zamindars who always had a upper hand continued to grow at the expense of the tax payers money.

    Now based on the above statements, it should be relatively easy to figure out which segment of the rural population got royally Scre***, which segement of population Scre*** themselves and which segment of population is being plain and simple Greedy.

    I rest my case.


    Brilliant post King_jsr. Gives a lot of clarity to what has been going on. Tragically enough, even with best interests at heart, each and every govt scheme is twisted to ensure that the common man (NO!! not the 20-30 lakh Rs flat buying public--they are rich) suffers the most. And then, its fashionable to blame the government.
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