पतवाड़ी के किसानों का लिखित समझौता
जागरण संवाददाता, ग्रेटर नोएडा किसानों के साथ समझौते की दिशा में ग्रेटर नोएडा प्राधिकरण को बृहस्पतिवार को बड़ी सफलता हासिल हुई। पतवाड़ी गांव के किसानों के साथ प्राधिकरण का समझौता हो गया। इससे बिल्डरों व निवेशकों को बहुत बड़ी राहत मिली है। समझौता भी किसानों के लिए फायदेमंद रहा। उन्हें अब 550 रुपये प्रति वर्गमीटर अतिरिक्त मुआवजा देने पर सहमति बन गई है। साथ ही आबादी व बैकलीज की शर्तो को हटा लिया गया है। हालांकि नोएडा के सेक्टर-62 में गुरुवार को देर रात तक अन्य मुद्दों पर प्राधिकरण व किसानों के बीच बातचीत जारी थी। इलाहाबाद हाईकोर्ट ने 19 जुलाई को पतवाड़ी गांव की 589 हेक्टयेर जमीन का अधिग्रहण रद कर दिया था। अधिग्रहण रद होने से सात बिल्डरों के प्रोजेक्ट प्रभावित हुई हुए थे। 26 हजार निवेशकों के फ्लैट का सपना भी टूट गया था। प्राधिकरण के ढाई हजार भूखंड़ों, चार सौ निर्मित मकानों व दो इंजीनियरिंग कॉलेज की योजना भी अधर में लटक गई थी। 26 जुलाई को हाईकोर्ट ने नोएडा एक्सटेंशन के अन्य गांवों की सुनवाई के दौरान प्राधिकरण, बिल्डर व किसानों को 12 अगस्त तक आपस में समझौते करने का सुझाव दिया था। हाईकोर्ट के सुझाव पर प्राधिकरण ने किसानों से समझौते के लिए वार्ता की पहल शुरू की। 27 जुलाई को प्राधिकरण के सीईओ रमा रमन ने सबसे पहले पतवाड़ी गांव के प्रधान को पत्र भेज कर वार्ता करने के लिए आमंत्रित किया। दूसरे दिन ग्राम प्रधान रेशपाल यादव ने प्राधिकरण कार्यालय पहुंच कर सीईओ से बातचीत कर उनका रुख जानने का प्रयास किया था। 30 जुलाई को सीईओ ने गांव पतवाड़ी जाकर किसानों से सामूहिक रूप में बात की। इस दौरान मुआवजा वृद्धि को छोड़कर किसानों के साथ अन्य मांगों पर प्राधिकरण ने सकारात्मक रुख दिखाया। मुआवजा बढ़ोतरी पर बातचीत करने के लिए किसानों को आपस में कमेटी गठित कर वार्ता का प्रस्ताव सीईओ दे आए थे। इसके बाद किसानों के साथ गुरुवार को नोएडा के सेक्टर-62 में बैठक बुलाई गई। इसमें प्राधिकरण के सीईओ रमा रमन, ग्रामीण अभियंत्रण मंत्री जयवीर ठाकुर, सांसद सुरेंद्र सिंह नागर व जिलाधिकारी के साथ किसानों की वार्ता शुरू हुई। आठ घंटे तक वार्ता चलने के बाद किसान समझौते के लिए तैयार हो गए। सूत्रों के अनुसार पतवाड़ी गांव के किसानों को मिले 850 रुपये प्रति वर्गमीटर के अलावा 550 रुपये प्रति वर्गमीटर और देने पर सहमति बन गई है। देर रात तक बैठक जारी थी। अभी इसकी अधिकारिक घोषणा नहीं की गई है। हालांकि गांव के कुछ किसानों ने वार्ता की पुष्टि की है। इससे पूर्व किसानों की आबादी को पूरी तरह से अधिग्रहण मुक्त रखा जाएगा। बैकलीज की शर्ते हटा ली जाएगी। पतवाड़ी गांव का समझौता होने पर प्राधिकरण को नोएडा एक्सटेंशन के अन्य गांवों में किसानों के साथ समझौता करने की राह आसान हो गई है। नोएडा एक्सटेंशन विवाद ने रोके खरीददार : नोएडा एक्सटेंशन विवाद ने समूचे ग्रेटर नोएडा एवं यमुना एक्सप्रेस वे प्राधिकरण क्षेत्र में संपत्तियों की खरीद-फरोख्त पर ब्रेक लगा दिया है। दोनों जगह ढूंढे से भी खरीददार नहीं मिल रहे हैं। कुछ समय पहले तक जो लोग शहर में अपना आशियाना बनाने के लिए आतुर थे, वे अब यहां संपत्ति खरीदने से हिचकिचा रहे हंै। पिछले बीस दिनों में भूखंड व मकानों की गिनी-चुनी रजिस्ट्री हुई हैं। सिर्फ गांवों में कृषि व आबादी भूमि की रजिस्ट्री हो रही है। इससे प्रदेश सरकार को राजस्व की भी हानि उठानी पड़ रही है
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  • Originally Posted by rohit_warren
    Either you are lying or all 50 of them are living in a world of fancy.

    Rohit

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    I have different view.
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  • Originally Posted by rohit_warren
    Actually everything in noida extension is in bad shape. Here are some

    The land was acquired using urgency clause and later given to builders after changing the land use.

    The land was given to builders on long term lease so it is not freehold.

    The land was given to builders on long term payment plan of 15 years by initial payments of just 10-15 percent and as of last report 80 of them have defaulted.

    The builders have floated spv for each project so no two projects are connected in terms of liability.

    The builders who have just paid 10-15 percent of the land price have taken upto 50 to 100 percent of the payment from the buyer.

    The bank who are funding the buyer are taking a separate undertaking from the buyer that no matter what happens to the project he has to pay the loan.

    The builders are not allowing resale blocking the only exit route of the buyer.

    The builder is increasing the price every quarter or so and with that increasing the super area and asking to pay at the new rates.

    The far is 3.5 now which means denser project and huge unsold inventory.

    The case is still pending in supreme court and the point of litigation is why the whole acquisition not be nullified as it was done against the land acquisition act.

    The government of mayawati is no longer in power and present government is known to have different view on Noida region.


    The list is endless I can go on writing but the hype about the infra there both existing and proposed seems more of eyewash than anything else.
    The use of chaos theory seems to be used there in a form where the attention is diverted from the original problems in order to blind the innocent buyer from the real problems.

    Rohit

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    Dear Rohit,

    You have more or less made a good compilation of all the Negative Points about Noida Extension.

    BUT why are you so cynical about infra development in G Noida (west) when GNIDA is doing more or less good job here. very Wide Roads are being built even as there is no habitation at present. Where as Authorities in Locations like Ghaziabad, Faridabad, Gurgaon are do a much worse job even after habitation.
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  • Originally Posted by ManGupta
    Dear Rohit,



    You have more or less made a good compilation of all the Negative Points about Noida Extension.

    BUT why are you so cynical about infra development in G Noida (west) when GNIDA is doing more or less good job here. very Wide Roads are being built even as there is no habitation at present. Where as Authorities in Locations like Ghaziabad, Faridabad, Gurgaon are do a much worse job even after habitation.


    @Rohit Warren
    You have made a big issue of non availability of exit route to the buyers of noida extension. ...... You may be right ....... BUT ...

    BUT if builders make any changes in any T & C, sooner or later they will demand the buyers to sign addendum / new BBA etc. Last time those who were not willing to sign were given the option to exit with their money with 11% interest. Maybe same will happen now. ..........

    BUT ......... the point is that last time ..... and maybe even this time again ...... Nobody was interested in such exit route.
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  • Rohit, amongst your list of negatives about GNW, there is one that is very significant i.e. the builders having gotten the option to pay only 10-15% for the land and rest over comfortable installments - thereby significantly reducing their skin in the proj. 2 points:

    1. There is significantly much more at stake for the builders in terms of land consideration paid upfront - which is believed to be at least equal to paper price. Assuming even that, builders have paid 60-65% of the and cost..
    2. GNW is not such a high land cost zone as S.Delhi or Mumbai where land cost comprises major chunk of the developers cost. Assuming a 10000/sqm purchase price, 3.5 FAR and 25% loading - the FSI cost should not be more than 200-300 per sqft which is nothing compared to the actual construction cost say 1200 psft - which means actual expenditure done by the developer (sorry no installments in payments to supplier, labor etc). Thereby the developer also has serious risk of losing money if the project fails - not like as you make out to be.

    On local Govt:
    Further, whatever populist sentiments they may show, the govt also cannot afford to risk huge -ve investor sentiment, because it will hit industrial investment also.

    Thereby aligning the interest of buyers, developer and govt.

    So, as they say - apni akal lagao - dikhawe pe mat jao!
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  • The discussion about positives and negatives is endless... Point of discussion is why is he so desperately looking to show NE in bad light... Each and every point raised by him has been answered by various members but he seems to have no ear for positives...

    As i said earlier, every area has its +ves and -ves, so does NE. One has to evaluate the weigtage of +ves and -ves... In NE +ves are far more than -ves and that is why it is such a hit... If some guy feels he only is the smart guy left in this universe and number of investors are not, then needless to tell who is and who isnt...
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  • Originally Posted by rohit_warren
    The point is what are the options for the buyer who does not have ability or willingness to pay the increased super area demand.

    In other areas if this happens the buyer can exit via resale but in noida xt he is stuck for life married to the project like it or no.

    Rohit


    Super area increase is usually calculated and conveyed at the time of possession. At that point resales would be anyways permittable. Your point of resale not happening would be at early stages and that has nothing to do with super area increase. So if someone does invest they know their exit options while purchasing, right?
    Getting to the question of increase in super area. Well every builder does it. Some increase super area. Some burden the buyer with the escalation of cost clause. Some do cost savings in the construction. Builder is here to make money and everyone does something or the other to ensure that they don't incur losses.
    Now can you specify why and what makes you feel that this is common only to ne?

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  • Originally Posted by mpandey78
    Super area increase is usually calculated and conveyed at the time of possession. At that point resales would be anyways permittable. Your point of resale not happening would be at early stages and that has nothing to do with super area increase. So if someone does invest they know their exit options while purchasing, right?
    Getting to the question of increase in super area. Well every builder does it. Some increase super area. Some burden the buyer with the escalation of cost clause. Some do cost savings in the construction. Builder is here to make money and everyone does something or the other to ensure that they don't incur losses.
    Now can you specify why and what makes you feel that this is common only to ne?

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    this problem is exclusive to Noida xx because of no resale allowed, allow resale and see how the price reacts for one which would show the real color of the area.

    why are developers scared to allow resale even after collecting 50 odd percent of the total amount -

    rohit
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  • Originally Posted by rohit_warren
    The plain and simple reason for having more interested in noida ext is the kind of buyers. Off late there was an editor of times now who bought there .. chartered accounts ... it pros ... bpo staff . Police personal ... retired govt servant ..
    But I have seen one thing which is common to all of them is they all are net savvy people.

    This profile is interesting because it is small sample of the future india.

    The biggest drawback of being net savvy is that the person becomes lazy and starts living in virtual world. Now this means that he is porne to get cheated easily as it is possible to filter the content on the net and builder and their agents are doing that , showing just one part of the whole project, this means that everyone thinks he got the best deal but the whole picture is hidden from him. Once he realises that it is too late to exit and in frustration he becomes aggressive and defensive about his involvement.

    This is very serious situation and I understand this and by highlighting these I am trying to let new guys know what kind of trap they are falling into.

    It is very easy to turn a blind eye from what is not right but maybe I am of not of that kind.

    I will keep on asking the hard questions people may like it or no.


    Rohit

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    Hi Rohit,
    Since you are aware of so many negatives about NEX, I guess you would strictly not have invested in NEX... And you are always tryig to find more and more reasons to backup your decision.. Or you may be contemplating that you have missed the bus and trying hard to convince yourself more than anybody else... This is normal human tendancy.... We who have invested in NEX try to find positives amid all negatives.. Your point about increase of super area is correct, but not every builder is doing it in NEX.. I have heard builders playing the same trick everywhere. They increase super area, charge for non existence PLCs, suddenly club and initial maintenance charges would increase.. But usually the buyer has to pay these increased charges in last installments...In most of the cases buyers surrender to such arm twisting techniques considering the fact that if they have invested X amont and they may get good returns on their investments later..paying 2-3 lakhs more is worth... In India such things are happening every where not just in NEX because of the legal hassels involved in dragging builders to court and lack of unity among buyers.. In NEX one thing is good that NEFOMA is united and till now serious about buyers problems....

    Cheers,
    Gaurav

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  • Rohit Warren is just like Sir Ravindra jadega of this forum.there should be a new thread Neharpar Vs Noida Extension
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  • Originally Posted by rohit_warren
    this problem is exclusive to Noida xx because of no resale allowed, allow resale and see how the price reacts for one which would show the real color of the area.

    why are developers scared to allow resale even after collecting 50 odd percent of the total amount -

    rohit


    Rohit


    investors know this fact and then investing. its not secret.


    many builders don't allow even resale. it is told before hand.
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  • Originally Posted by arjiet
    Rohit Warren is just like Sir Ravindra jadega of this forum.there should be a new thread Neharpar Vs Noida Extension

    the buyers of noida ext cannot buy in Gr Faridabad now - that area is beyond the means of most of the buyers of noida ext - it is fast becoming a luxury area and only compareable area for that region is nirvana country.

    so do not compare gr faridabad with noida xt - noida xt is for people who have just 10 lakh cash and for rest they rely of bank loan - not for the seths of the faridabad ;)

    rohit
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  • Sir rohit,

    Yesterday you were praising bawana and today gr. faridabad. :bab (59):
    Sir, please tell if gr faridabad is better than bawana. On ur advise i sold my flat in NEX & bought a plot in bawana, if u say gr faridabad is better i can sell the bawana plot & get a plot here. :bab (3):


    Sir how can you compare faridabad & gr noida. You are slowly losing the title of 'best RE pundit of north india' which i gave to u yesterday.

    Just a small request sir, please dont vanish 4 years down the line when NEX has been developed and fully functionally. I'd personally invite u to my house and we'd share you sorrows of not having invested in this area 4 years back.

    Plus I'll try my best to sell your plot of gr faridabad. Dont wrry sir, ppl like u will still exist 4 years down the line who'd think gr faridabad is d best, we'd sell your plot to him.

    We all would share your grief on this very forum sir, dont wrry, no 1 will make fun of u, i'd see to it personally.

    And Please keep on posting ur RE views sir, u r doing a grt job (of making the ppl laugh - as they say it laughter is the best medicine).

    Forgive me sir if i said anything wrong.

    Thanks
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  • The entire purpose of forum is getting defeated coz of a single member...

    Rohit, how often do u think u should repeat your points... One comment per page??? How will new buyers notice your comments... Request admin to reserve a part of screen on every page to your comments so that no one misses your points... And i m sure admin would not mind doing it considering the social service u r doing for potential NE buyers...

    Or else i request admin to interfere here... Putting point across is fine but repeating the same stuff again and again and getting into unhealthy arguments with other members is not what this forum is looked at for...

    Till yesternight, i was giving u benefit of doubt but ur comments about Gr.FBD not being affordable for NE buyers have cleared your intentions of doing all this (atleast to me).

    Let me tell u one thing... even if 1 out of 1000 potential buyers fall for your crap, he will be diverted either to YEW or RNE or other areas... Not 1 in lifetime would go to Gr. FBD...

    All in vain Rohit, all in vain... Keep trying though...
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  • as a tribute to Rohit i am planning to sell my property in NEX and buying a new one in NP :)

    Having a view is good, having a view on every body is still ok, but getting personal at everybody is bad.

    Dont poke ur nose everywhere Rohit there is lot of filth around......and for god's sake please try to understand one simple thing '' no one (and i mean no one) have invested in NEX without doing a proper due diligence. It is a calculative decision which we are playing with out own money, and we do not owe any explanation to anybody and specially you for our investment decisions.''

    Any new/ perspective buyer will do the same due diligence, no Rohit can influence anyody decision to invest 40-50 Lacs. Preserve ur energy.......

    Aur mujhpar ek ehsaan karna...ki mere post par reply mat karna....mahesh babu
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  • Originally Posted by ashoklingwal
    as a tribute to Rohit i am planning to sell my property in NEX and buying a new one in NP :)

    Having a view is good, having a view on every body is still ok, but getting personal at everybody is bad.

    Dont poke ur nose everywhere Rohit there is lot of filth around......and for god's sake please try to understand one simple thing '' no one (and i mean no one) have invested in NEX without doing a proper due diligence. It is a calculative decision which we are playing with out own money, and we do not owe any explanation to anybody and specially you for our investment decisions.''

    Any new/ perspective buyer will do the same due diligence, no Rohit can influence anyody decision to invest 40-50 Lacs. Preserve ur energy.......

    Aur mujhpar ek ehsaan karna...ki mere post par reply mat karna....mahesh babu


    THis guys is for sure a broker from nehar par...evident from his comments.....is there any admin for this forum ??? if yes...we all can ask him to send SIR ROHIT to faridabad forum ...wer he can live happily ever after !!
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