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  • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

    Negativity v/s Ignorance

    Hi
    Greetings

    I am genuinely in the interest of the Dwarka expressway coming to existance and have attempted to present arguments about actual problems with numerous proofs of inherent problems.

    Being ignorant is worse than being negative!!!
    Infact all who wish to invest and visit this blog, is to get information!!!
    Information which is substantiated by facts.. about letters being sent to subscribers on dway by builders expressing inability to offer possession due to non availability of infrastructure are FACTS http://www.indianrealestateforum.com...post1081.htmlf

    Fine slapped to HUDA by High court is a fact Court slaps  Rs 50,000-fine on HUDA - Hindustan Times http://www.surgegurgaon.org/edc.html; Explain external development charge better: HC to HUDA - Indian Express

    16 cases on dway haryana side are facts mentioned in the same Dway tender which members are quoting as positive!! Is that a Positive??Dwarka Expressway Tender5

    Now this "Matter of Fact" inability to provide possession letter was by a company Raheja (300+ acres appx) which is 5-10 times the land bank in GGN as compared to ATS (13 acres).. How can one ignore these facts?? The inability is due to Sector roads and dway inability is not mentioned!!

    Those who are informed are less fearful as they are more prepared..

    Only if I would be a builder whos motto is "JAI KARWA GAI JANTA,, APNA KAAM CHALTA" would taken the entire money as DP from customers for the project would go to bed in peace without clarifying on disabling covenants/risks/disclaimers.

    "8-10 saal ka appetite hai customers main" approach is very prevalent in many builders..

    I am sure for any builder who has the right marketing and customer services approach would never think like this

    ATS has delivered good projects which sell at a premium because it has delivered value for money suited to aspiration needs of a client segment..
    Govt departments, agencies, states, courts on the other hand, behave in their own fashion, which builders having far higher stakes have not been able to influence till date.

    Hope good sense prevails on this night of lights and wisdom.
    More such information is available on the link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...MRE5hVEE#gid=3

    Cheers

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    • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

      i agree rahul..going at night to find the vibrations of railway...in Mahindra project was really funny and double speak. It would have been a geniune advice if the advisor would have done the same and heard the horns of thousands of truck on NH 8 while investing in palm hills or would have a research on the smell of the adjoining rice factory. but in case of there project they tell to look at big picture and future plans..

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      • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

        Disguised Unemployment

        Hi
        Greetings

        Just went through the full days posts on the thread and am getting a general feeling that there is rampant Disguised Unemployment on ATS thread.. both for those invested, those planning to invest, those annoyed as well as those claiming to have invested..

        wonder how many people have 80-90 lac in white to pay as dp and all the time to chant only one mantra, being at senior positions?? Truly a conundrum for me..

        GOD BLESS THEM.. for me I have decided not to reply to Kalidasas........... selectively..

        Cheers

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        • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

          Originally posted by BlessU View Post
          Hi
          Greetings

          I am genuinely in the interest of the Dwarka expressway coming to existance and have attempted to present arguments about actual problems with numerous proofs of inherent problems.

          Being ignorant is worse than being negative!!!

          <being ignorant and being negative is far worse...

          Infact all who wish to invest and visit this blog, is to get information!!!

          Exactly and your extreme negative comments make them loose on good opportunity.
          Name one project you said do not invest and is now doing bad...You did not answer....


          Information which is substantiated by facts.. about letters being sent to subscribers on dway by builders expressing inability to offer possession due to non availability of infrastructure are FACTS http://www.indianrealestateforum.com...post1081.htmlf

          Of course everyone knows the infra shall be available 3 years from now ..ATS will be delivered then... not now.

          Fine slapped to HUDA by High court is a fact Court slaps  Rs 50,000-fine on HUDA - Hindustan Times http://www.surgegurgaon.org/edc.html; Explain external development charge better: HC to HUDA - Indian Express

          [COLOR="red"]Totally irrelevant point for DEW..infact a good news that EDC will go down...
          Sirji If you have complaints with HUDA then you want to say that etire GGn is bad..God really should Bless U
          [/COLOR]
          16 cases on dway haryana side are facts mentioned in the same Dway tender which members are quoting as positive!! Is that a Positive??Dwarka Expressway Tender5
          Common knowledge and also if HUDA decides to build road despite that is surely a good news...this shows the conviction HUDA has to settle the issues.



          Now this "Matter of Fact" inability to provide possession letter was by a company Raheja (300+ acres appx) which is 5-10 times the land bank in GGN as compared to ATS (13 acres).. How can one ignore these facts?? The inability is due to Sector roads and dway inability is not mentioned!!

          height of Hypocritical behavior...Same Raheja you favored in a thread for Revanta ...My god you are unbelievable.... How can you keep your credibility...
          Those who are informed are less fearful as they are more prepared..

          Exactly and so are the prices ....


          Only if I would be a builder whos motto is "JAI KARWA GAI JANTA,, APNA KAAM CHALTA" would taken the entire money as DP from customers for the project would go to bed in peace without clarifying on disabling covenants/risks/disclaimers.

          "8-10 saal ka appetite hai customers main" approach is very prevalent in many builders..

          I am sure for any builder who has the right marketing and customer services approach would never think like this

          ATS has delivered good projects which sell at a premium because it has delivered value for money suited to aspiration needs of a client segment..
          Govt departments, agencies, states, courts on the other hand, behave in their own fashion, which builders having far higher stakes have not been able to influence till date.

          Hope good sense prevails on this night of lights and wisdom.
          More such information is available on the link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...MRE5hVEE#gid=3

          Cheers

          Bless U you really are extreme negative and of course have selective amnesia...as far as DEW projects goes....
          Last edited October 27 2011, 12:43 AM.

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          • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

            ATS quality - end user opinion


            I must say that ATS is an below average builder looking at the quality of flat delivered at Greater Noida project.
            this feedback is is not from google or from others view point but, from own experience.. few points:
            - ATS quality is substandard in terms of quality of material and workmanship. i a comparing with purvanchal and my expectation..
            - like other greedy builders they have breached prospectus offerings and constructing new buildings as they have purchased increased FAR from authority.
            - like other cheap builders their projets are delayed by 2.5 = years and on top of it they increase super area (without increasing crpoet area) so that they can avoid penalty.
            - no end user is interested in paying extra premium, check GNoida thread from averageJoe.

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            • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

              Hi Kalidasa story version

              Originally posted by BlessU View Post
              Hi
              Greetings

              Just went through the full days posts on the thread and am getting a general feeling that there is rampant Disguised Unemployment on ATS thread.. both for those invested, those planning to invest, those annoyed as well as those claiming to have invested..

              wonder how many people have 80-90 lac in white to pay as dp and all the time to chant only one mantra, being at senior positions?? Truly a conundrum for me..

              GOD BLESS THEM.. for me I have decided not to reply to Kalidasas........... selectively..

              Cheers

              Finally found it.. experience how information, knowledge of facts can change a personality..

              Here is a refresher about kalidasa.. thats what happens when an ignorant person becomes aware..The Legend of Kalidas

              Cheers

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              • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

                Thanks for sharing.. good to know end user perspective... which project is this ??

                Originally posted by vivekagl View Post
                I must say that ATS is an below average builder looking at the quality of flat delivered at Greater Noida project.
                this feedback is is not from google or from others view point but, from own experience.. few points:
                - ATS quality is substandard in terms of quality of material and workmanship. i a comparing with purvanchal and my expectation..
                - like other greedy builders they have breached prospectus offerings and constructing new buildings as they have purchased increased FAR from authority.
                - like other cheap builders their projets are delayed by 2.5 = years and on top of it they increase super area (without increasing crpoet area) so that they can avoid penalty.
                - no end user is interested in paying extra premium, check GNoida thread from averageJoe.

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                • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

                  Originally posted by vb2309 View Post
                  Manoja,

                  Did u read my post on the loss to the forum due to a ban on you?
                  I am not against your points, issues are:

                  I read the obituary u wrote on me . I also pointed out that u r accusing me of launching personal attacks, while ignoring personal attacks made on me by some of yr. friends & co investors of the D e way . U agreed & said that u missed on those posts . I also pointed out that u couldn't have missed( until it was an intentional miss ) on the these posts which were attacking me personally, since u have quoted such posts in yr. comments . I hope u understand, what i am trying to say . It is no rocket science . it is amply clear & shows the intent .


                  1. Your total unfair apposition to other projects apart from your Spire where 2 years delay in laying a single brick is acceptable to you.

                  I have asked u to calculate the ROI in Spire . Please do that . Till then, u don't have any basis to discuss on Spire. Another thing, please get yr. facts right ( it seems to be a big problem for u ) . Cheques of the earliest investors started getting debited in April end /May 2010 . So, it is not two years . I have also told u that there r many projects in GGN ( DLF, Unitech to count a few among them ), whose projects have not started after 1.5 years from launching . So, yr. targeting Spire looks specifically meant to target me .

                  2. Epitome of negativity in your posts for ATS 109 and DE while never mentioning the positives that make some of us invest.

                  U & some of yr. friends r there to post all the positives on ATS & D e way. U don't leave anything positive to be talked for others . Only thing left for others to talk r the negative aspects . Let me know, what negatives, i have posted about ATS, except my issues on very high expected launch price of this project ?

                  3. Language and use of cartoon , smileys, block, bold etc

                  What is the problem in using them ?? They r there to be used . I am not the only person using them . It would be a different matter if u r ignorant on using them . Please look at the FAQ . Would help u .

                  4. Deliberately pulling down other projects while giving undue advantage to ur investment in SPIRE

                  I have been one of the worst critics of Spire . I have posted complaints against them in the forum . If u close yr. eyes to facts, god may help u . Repeating wrong/biased/motivated/malafied information doesn't make it right & doesn't change facts, but clearly indicates on the intent of the person doing so & speaks volume on his mis intentions . Again, calculate the ROI on Spire & tell me how it is the worst investment ? Also let me know, if i talk negative about D e way, how does it help Spire ? Have u seen me posting that D e way is the worst investment & only invest in Spire ? Please answer, i would wait for them .

                  The above 4 need to stop.

                  I have replied to all of yr. points . U need to stop attacking people personally in some guise or the other, u need to stop spreading wrong information on Spire & me & u also need to learn to absorb some hard facts on the D e way . They r facts, whether u deny them or close yr. eyes on them, that is really up to u .

                  U need to stop all this .

                  I respect your hard earned experience, please allow us to gain from it POSITIVELY.

                  I am sure u would gain from my experience & experiences of many others, but learn to earn that . All the wrong information being spread & hitting below the belt in some guise or the other must stop, it will not take u anywhere . Also, please stop the habit of convinently ignoring some posts & selectively answering, as per yr. convenience .

                  Vb2309

                  vb2309

                  I hope, i have made myself amply clear .


                  Wishing u well . Have fun .



                  MANOJa
                  Last edited October 27 2011, 04:03 AM. Reason: typo
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                  • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

                    Thanks for showing an entirely different face of ATS . Many people will not like it, but if what u say is correct, it is a major worrying point .

                    Please share any more information u have on this .


                    Originally posted by vivekagl View Post
                    I must say that ATS is an below average builder looking at the quality of flat delivered at Greater Noida project.
                    this feedback is is not from google or from others view point but, from own experience.. few points:
                    - ATS quality is substandard in terms of quality of material and workmanship. i a comparing with purvanchal and my expectation..
                    - like other greedy builders they have breached prospectus offerings and constructing new buildings as they have purchased increased FAR from authority.
                    - like other cheap builders their projets are delayed by 2.5 = years and on top of it they increase super area (without increasing crpoet area) so that they can avoid penalty.
                    - no end user is interested in paying extra premium, check GNoida thread from averageJoe.
                    Please read IREF rules | FAQ's

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                    • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

                      Looks like many skeletons r set to tumble out of the ATS closet .

                      Originally posted by BlessU View Post
                      Hi
                      Greetings

                      Once again wishing you all a Very Happy Diwali..

                      On this special night of light and brightness.. all invested in Dway should join together and be prepared of the impending dangers.

                      Issue of ATS ridiculous price, lack of tranparency, being unfair, monopolistic, poor management of information, insider trading are just a small shade of dark clouds to come..

                      The issues that are more important for which all dway proponents should unite are concerning slow to no pace of development by government authorities and agencies causing builders to find excuses for non delivery on time..
                      16 Litigations on Haryana side,
                      involvement of 3 govts,
                      Delhi side land acquisition/assesment/survey/ tenders not starting,
                      differences between Huda and MCG etc
                      Builders cartels through JVs rigging prices, would retard the process further.

                      Situation gets horrific when external infrastructure like sewerage, water, electricity, sector roads, master roads do not come into existence for years at stretch.. The agencies here would be HUDA, MCG, DTCP for the Haryana side and DDA, PWD, Govt of Delhi and Central Govt for the Delhi side of Dwarka Expressway..

                      I had rather been busy in a similar situation where only the Haryana agencies are involved in Neharpar Faridabad and a huge demonstration is being planned by people on 13th Nov due to lack of development by Huda...
                      The seriousness of this can be checked in the open link which I had been busy helping my friends write for similar issues in Neharpar Faridabad
                      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1.../edit?hl=en_GB

                      Just sent this to major newspapers, Consumer Complaints, ministry of urban affairs, Public Grievance under ministry of administrative reforms etc details available of various authorities on the link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...MRE5hVEE#gid=7
                      Sheet Important Websites and addresses

                      Just to give all dwarka expressway proponents a tryst with reality

                      Please join together and form an association proactively.. if you look at things professionally.


                      Cheers
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