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  • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

    Originally posted by BlessU View Post
    Hi
    Greetings

    Amit please check chintels floor plan and see the reason for lifts not being co-joining the appartment/living area..

    like wise check floor plan/website of any builder in the spreadsheet
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...GB&pli=1#gid=0

    I have personally checked a few.. Mr Sika is right.. It is never attached/co-joined to an appartment. Its not only the lift noise ( which cannot be taken away all together) but also the people in it.. (Kids, pets, emotional people, etc)

    Cheers

    Lets suppose I live in that building on 5 th floor the total no of floors are 22 , and there are 3 other flats other than mine.......

    He said if their will be lift noise in the night.....Now u tell me the lift noise or the ppl using it (emotional ppl..........lol) will get to my aptt only if those ppl or the lift stops at my floor , out of the 4 aptts , in night , pets , children......


    Cummon man be reasonable , have some logic to it atleast....

    Raat ko kaunse bacche aur kutte bahar nikalte hai akele......I am talking about 12 AM onwards

    auar agar aap bol rhe ho ki closed lift se mujhe mere aptt mein awaz aayegi or shouting children in night or barking dogs then........please man.........its not expected of u atleast...

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    • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

      Thanks for the effort

      Originally posted by vb2309 View Post
      Amit,

      Excellent post.
      You are an Asset to this forum.

      First hand experience narrated impartially is better than any analysis, prognosis, constructive critism, unbiased sarcasm ( not saying biased criticism) and e brochures or hear and say.

      Excellent post. You are an asset.

      All the points listed show that the area will take time to develop and prices should be / are relational.

      Did u click any snaps u can share please with sector. Umbers mentioned?

      Thank u for the effort and time my friend.

      VB
      Amit001,

      This note was and is to thank you with the effort. I am not agreeing or disagreeing.

      The picture u paint is first hand is clearly showing the picture of a location in first stage of development. Which is fine. I prefer investing in such places which are either near developed centres or are in early stages of development or are on a connecting main stretch road or a mix of above. The investment with a good company like ATS and Shobha will work well for long term investors.

      Those who invest at DE will mean high growth in few years. I understand that this is a long term investment and not for traders.

      Regards,
      vb2309
      Nothing Surprises Me

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      • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

        Originally posted by amit.bhalla View Post
        Lets suppose I live in that building on 5 th floor the total no of floors are 22 , and there are 3 other flats other than mine.......

        He said if their will be lift noise in the night.....Now u tell me the lift noise or the ppl using it (emotional ppl..........lol) will get to my aptt only if those ppl or the lift stops at my floor , out of the 4 aptts , in night , pets , children......


        Cummon man be reasonable , have some logic to it atleast....

        Raat ko kaunse bacche aur kutte bahar nikalte hai akele......I am talking about 12 AM onwards

        auar agar aap bol rhe ho ki closed lift se mujhe mere aptt mein awaz aayegi or shouting children in night or barking dogs then........please man.........its not expected of u atleast...
        Amit ji,

        My concern is more related to the lift's operating noise. To re-frame my concern - is there a likelihood of hearing any humming or other noise every time the lift operates in the dead of night?

        I have no exposure to apt living and I'm looking this as more of an end user perspective down the line. I'm least bothered if while hanging the LCD I dig a hole deep enough to reach the lift .

        On a separate note why is ATS a better bet then Chintel itself ? I'm trying to draw an analogy to "S-o-n-y is better than Samsung". It actually uses LCD panel made by Samsung and uses its brand name to sell it at a premium ! Me knowing this prefers Samsung. Donno hows it in real estate.
        Last edited November 2 2011, 11:57 PM.

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        • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

          Excellent 'half glass Full view'

          Originally posted by amit.bhalla View Post
          Today I went for site visit to Proposed D way sectors.

          Some of the observations are as follows:

          * Mahindra Project is very close to Palam Vihar and looks to be the safest property. This property is immune to delays on the D way. The two put offs are the "nala" and the "railway line"

          the drain as per Mahindra will be covered by them by the time of possession
          (I hope now u understand why Mahindra got sold like hot cakes every time because it is not dependent on D eway to come up)


          * Lot of sectors falling on the D Way including 109, 110, 112 are surrounded by unauthorized residential/industrial shops/property dealers/dingy kirana stores/small time village shops etc etc, which was great put off. As per local people there are more than thousands and thousands of unauthorised units which can never be removed. The whole of new palam vihar is unauthorised. However the units falling on the demarcation of the D Way may be removed if the litigation issues are sorted out

          I agree unauthorised plots are there in huge amount of numbers , and the quality of people are nothing to talk about , However ,I am seeing that area for the last 5 years now and the quality has improved by leaps and bounds over the years , My take : As the rates will move up for those plots , you will start to see better quality of ppl

          and those unauthorised shops that ur seeing there is just to save their plots from being acquired ...and earn some rent from that plot by doing minimal investment..


          * Chintels, Lumbini and shoba project are on the same stretch near Raheja Atherva

          They actually form a square kind of a shape and u forgot the ATS boundary next to atharva and caladium

          * As per local brokers there is 0 resale activity happening for Raheja Atherva

          Not zero but very minimal , because ppl who were invested sincce so long have just started to get some decent premium and since the payment has gone to the builder so they are sitting tight on it....

          * I wonder if being close to Delhi was a big advantage why the rates of Palam vihar are not more than DLF sectors in South Gurgaon?

          Palam vihar never got the due appreciation because of the approch from bijwasan road , Palam vihar was the first builder colony of GGN , it was made in 1986 by ansals and at one point of time around 1997 , Palam vihar plots were trading 10k psy and DLF 1 was being traded 3k psy (Reason : THat time old delhi Gurgaon road (Maruti road) was the main highway which was closer to palam vihar then DLF 1 was , pv was 3 km and DLF 1 was 7 km)
          So when the new highway became operational , all the barren land which was there got converted to highrise commercials courtesy DLF ...I hope now u will understand what a HIGHWAY can do to an area


          * if people feel that the rates of D way shud be more than GCX in long run. Why not Palam vihar rates are more than DFL Sectors.
          Because when DLF was coming up , they had all the land in the world to develop as everything was barren at that time , sec-14 was the poshest are of ggn at that time (also called as OLD dlf colony) , where as Palam vihar was surrounded by habited sectors (sec 23-23A) , then Old ggn sector (4,5,7) on both sides and Land was not available for the highrise development.....


          * Why not areas adjoining kapas Heda Border is getting better appreciation?
          (because of existing delhi population , kapashera comes under delhi and the habitation was there even at that point of time and it was surrounded by industrial plots of udyog vihar)

          * How much time Ancillary development like Hospitals, Malls, Commercial Offices etc take?
          Ancillary development takes around 7-8 yrs to come up however the most imp things reqd are ROAD , sewer and water and ELEC

          * Honestly I dont have the guts to buy on D way at 4800 price.

          YOur call totally

          * People who bought at 3000-3500 are sitting pretty but I am not sure what kind of return will i get after investing at 4800.

          You might not get premium in 33-4 months , but if ur doing it , then be ready for a gestation period of around 3 yrs for good ROI

          * The whole of new Palam vihar is unauthorised/dingy/low class area. How will it co exist with the luxury offerings of Shobha, ATS??
          DId u see the area where DLF has come up now , before DLF was there , trust me New palam vihar is still better (at that time DLF 3 was in the middle of a village) , SL 1 still has a village in it , DLF 2 is next to sikanderpur village

          Behind GC road towards sushant lok 2 there are loads of slums which are not going away for a few yrs now



          * Clearly the units falling on D way may be demolished but will the thousands and thousands of unauthorized residential, commercial and industrial units be ever removed from new Palam Vihar/ D way sectors

          As the rates of the are go up , more and more ppl start selling their patched of land to builders ( these colonies will be regularised once the infra is provided by the govt and some plots from HUDA are floated in the market for these sectors)

          Honestly I dont have the courage/vision to but at 4700/4800. Rest time will tell if my apprehensions are right or wrong[/COLOR]

          Absolutely


          PS : I am not justifying the price of 4800 psf for ATS at this point , I am just waiting for 8th nov when the tender has to be awarded for sector roads of D Eway...[/QUOTE]


          Amit B ,

          Kudos for an excellent half glass FULL view.
          I agree to most of the points.

          Investments at the right price and at right time in DE good builders will work well for buyers and end users. Very well countered to give the other side of the coin.

          Great Half Glass FULL VIEW AND VERY TRUE.

          THIS IS WHAT I REFER AS HEALTHY DEBATE, NO PERSONALISATION.

          YOU AND AMIT 001 are assets to this thread.

          Regards
          VB
          Nothing Surprises Me

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          • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

            Originally posted by sikkaji View Post
            Amit ji,

            My concern is more related to the lift's operating noise. To re-frame my concern - is there a likelihood of hearing any humming or other noise every time the lift operates in the dead of night?

            I have no exposure to apt living and I'm looking this as more of an end user perspective down the line. I'm least bothered if while hanging the LCD I dig a hole deep enough to reach the lift .

            On a separate note why is ATS a better bet then Chintel itself ? I'm trying to draw an analogy to "S-o-n-y is better than Samsung". It actually uses LCD panel made by Samsung and uses its brand name to sell it at a premium ! Me knowing this prefers Samsung. Donno hows it in real estate.


            Sir here Samsung is chintels (samsung manufactures and Chintels have land here)

            And ATS and shobha are (they buy it from CHintels or join hands by using their LCDD panels but sell through their own name..)

            Aap market mein jaaoge to ye batao how likely is that u will buy a samsung over ....

            Maine khud abhi samsung ka LED finalize kara tha apne liye , but in the end when I went to buy , I bought because of the brand name it carries and the user reliability i have coz i have used previously only and had absolutely no problems...

            Be rest assured that there will be no noise of whatever kinds.....HAfeez contractor ne design kara hai , wo bewakuf nahi hai ......
            Last edited November 3 2011, 12:06 AM.

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            • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

              Hafeez Contractor is good, no doubt on that . i have seen some of his work . Looks great . A positive for this project, for sure .
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              • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

                Co-joining Lifts a rarity

                Originally posted by amit.bhalla View Post
                Sir here Samsung is chintels (samsung manufactures and Chintels have land here)

                And ATS and shobha are (they buy it from CHintels or join hands by using their LCDD panels but sell through their own name..)

                Aap market mein jaaoge to ye batao how likely is that u will buy a samsung over ....

                Maine khud abhi samsung ka LED finalize kara tha apne liye , but in the end when I went to buy , I bought because of the brand name it carries and the user reliability i have coz i have used previously only and had absolutely no problems...

                Be rest assured that there will be no noise of whatever kinds.....HAfeez contractor ne design kara hai , wo bewakuf nahi hai ......
                Hi
                Greetings

                I wish to share a few floor plans that I have liked for the discerning.. May be in a top architect environment a junior might have tried some new design altogether..

                A few floor plans to mention this descripency

                Alpha G
                Gurgaon Properties, Gurgaon Residential Property, Buy Property in Gurgaon

                Revanta pg 25 of brochure
                https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...jZmE3&hl=en_GB

                Mahindra
                Mahindra Aura | Gurgaon | Green Homes | Residential Property Gurgaon | Properties in Gurgaon - Mahindra Lifespaces

                and many more I have checked..

                Possibly lift next to servant room is to awaken the owner if it works at night as a security measure..

                Cheers

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                • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

                  Originally posted by BlessU View Post
                  Hi
                  Greetings

                  I wish to share a few floor plans that I have liked for the discerning.. May be in a top architect environment a junior might have tried some new design altogether..

                  A few floor plans to mention this descripency

                  Alpha G
                  Gurgaon Properties, Gurgaon Residential Property, Buy Property in Gurgaon

                  Revanta pg 25 of brochure
                  https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...jZmE3&hl=en_GB

                  Mahindra
                  Mahindra Aura | Gurgaon | Green Homes | Residential Property Gurgaon | Properties in Gurgaon - Mahindra Lifespaces

                  and many more I have checked..

                  Possibly lift next to servant room is to awaken the owner if it works at night as a security measure..

                  Cheers


                  Sir aaj ki date mein aise kaunsi bani hui lift hai jo upar ya neeche jaane mein cranky sound karti hai , I dun think that new age lifts make any sounds at all

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                  • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

                    its not a common practice sir

                    Originally posted by amit.bhalla View Post
                    Sir aaj ki date mein aise kaunsi bani hui lift hai jo upar ya neeche jaane mein cranky sound karti hai , I dun think that new age lifts make any sounds at all
                    Hi
                    Greetings

                    I believe you are a Punjabi Bhalla Sir.. Jab half andar jata hai to lift crancky ho jati hai. Emotional hum Indians itne hote hain ke daba nahin sakte (emotions).. minute me BANDOOKEIN nikal aati hain.. yahin forum mein dekh lo.. (Jo yahaan dikha rahein hain woh phooke hue kartoos hain lekin)

                    baki designs are there in front of you.. it is always a good practice to keep lift column separately.. still can be confirmed with an architect if required.. In my career, whenever and wherever I travel (across globe) i never take a room next to the lift..

                    Cheers
                    Last edited November 3 2011, 01:03 AM.

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                    • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

                      Amit.....leave it

                      Originally posted by amit.bhalla View Post
                      Sir aaj ki date mein aise kaunsi bani hui lift hai jo upar ya neeche jaane mein cranky sound karti hai , I dun think that new age lifts make any sounds at all
                      Amit B,

                      Leave it my friend.......
                      Good posts.

                      VB
                      Nothing Surprises Me

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