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ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

Last updated: May 27 2019
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  • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

    dear manoj.ji,

    Lot of things comes with age. It is quite possible you have experience of thousands of transactions since stone age, many sweet & many sour.
    Fortunately we have become adults in today's e-environment when there are big names as brokerage firms [will not repeat as u know them all]
    The process of customer interaction & fee charged is transparent & same for all buyers & sellers. Nobody is CHACHA-BHATIJAA here...


    Originally posted by MANOJa View Post
    LOL . What an comment .

    Honest Brokers are almost an extinct community . Yes, all Brokers don't misguide, but most do . Lagta hain, aap kisi Bhagwan ke avatar se dealing/bookings karte ho . Would request u to share the details, for the good of the entire IREF family . Bhalla Ji ke paas bhi koi Bhagwan ke avatar hain, unse bhi request kari thi ki details share karo, unhone bhi koi jawab nahi diya . .

    Also, what do u have to say about people who r acting as Forum members & could be Brokers . Some of them, may not be actually Brokers, but doing some things here for monetary benefits ( as has been discussed in this thread- kaya naam diya jaye inn Mauka deekh ke Brokers banane walo ko . Please suggest a name ) . They seem to be creating hypes in groups or with multiple ID's & building up certain Builders/Projects with all kind of misinformation/ motivated information/leaking of some information at crucial junctures .

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    • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

      Bhaiya, have u heard about "Learning Life Experience Through Others" . Bhaiya, stone age ke baare mein, u would be knowing better ( some of yr. comments r a witness to that ), mein pichle 7-8 years ki RE ki baat kar sakta hoon .

      Here is an link for u -


      Learning Life Experience Through Others


      "To be old and wise, first you must be young and stupid".



      Btw, u have not answered my comment in full . Lagta hain, sangat ka asar ho gaye hai .



      Originally posted by nipsy View Post
      dear manoj.ji,

      Lot of things comes with age. It is quite possible you have experience of thousands of transactions since stone age, many sweet & many sour.
      Fortunately we have become adults in today's e-environment when there are big names as brokerage firms [will not repeat as u know them all]
      The process of customer interaction & fee charged is transparent & same for all buyers & sellers. Nobody is CHACHA-BHATIJAA here...
      Please read IREF rules | FAQ's

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      • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

        Nice phrase Manoj.ji,
        Baaki Saheb, aapka below comment mujhe samajh mein nahi aayaa.
        -"some of yr. comments r a witness to that"

        On your 2nd comment of Forum members as brokers
        well, could be true..., so far I haven't experienced it.
        I decided to ignore even if its true till I can gain from them.

        See manoj.ji, I agree
        1)such members/brokers/partial-brokers are a great source of information.
        2)buyer has to use own mind.
        3)There are always promoters /advt's around, so doesn';t matter if there are a few more.

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        • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

          Bhaiya, kuuch baate samhajne ki hoti hain . Reread the Quote & u may understand better .

          If such members/brokers/partial-brokers give unbiased information, they could be a good source of information . Many buyers r gullible/ many sitting at far off places/ many r newbies, so authentic/genuine information is crucial . No harm in having Promoters /advt's around, but they should make it clear, what there intentions r . Promoting projects, creating hypes in groups or with multiple ID's & building up certain Builders/Projects with all kind of misinformation/ motivated information/leaking of some information at crucial junctures is not marketing . U would know, what it can be called .
          Please read IREF rules | FAQ's

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          • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

            again the same crap going on.... baade samaj mai nahi atte...broker..partial broker etc etc....god know how many times more he is going to repaet this post.

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            • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

              Atul Ji, i am discussing something with a member & replying to his post/s . Agar ek sawal dus baar raise hoga, jawab to ek hi hoga na ( with maybe, some new added argument ) . I hope u understand, there is no rocket science involved here .

              Apko pasand nahi hain, better would be to close yr. eyes to it .


              Thanks for yr. comment .
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              • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

                Any more guy /member wanna self declare ATS purchase.
                Yaar kal to rate bhi kamm kar diya ATS ne [4700 CLP ---> 4280 CLP ] as some members shared.

                ise jyada kya expect kare insey.....

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                • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

                  Originally posted by nipsy View Post
                  Nice phrase Manoj.ji,
                  Baaki Saheb, aapka below comment mujhe samajh mein nahi aayaa.
                  -"some of yr. comments r a witness to that"

                  On your 2nd comment of Forum members as brokers
                  well, could be true..., so far I haven't experienced it.
                  I decided to ignore even if its true till I can gain from them.

                  See manoj.ji, I agree
                  1)such members/brokers/partial-brokers are a great source of information.
                  2)buyer has to use own mind.
                  3)There are always promoters /advt's around, so doesn';t matter if there are a few more.
                  Hi
                  Greetings

                  I am 100% in agreement on point no 2 by Nipsy.

                  "Buyer has to use own mind"

                  To elaborate a bit more on that
                  1] Brokers are a necessary evil, (the Pareto 80-20 law applies here)
                  2] They are potent source of information and misinformation,
                  3] They work for a percentage and cant be held responsible for the whole (unless you surrender/assign your rights to them with an agreement)
                  4] They have stronger affiliation with Builders than customers (as builders give them regular payouts)
                  5] Brokers do not have any minimum prescribed qualification, knowledge or skills
                  6] Some may call themselves Facilitators, Collaborators, Spe*cia*lists, Agents, Associates, Trade partners, Marketeers, et al so dont get confused, "all do the same job whether from India/UK"
                  7] In sellers market, buyer has less importance (things appreciate without developement)
                  8] A broker cannot spe*cia*lise in all the projects, aspects, subjects involved
                  9] Brokers main focus/interest/inclination is in selling/promoting a project
                  10] To serve this interest he would exalt the "pros" and project the "cons" euphemistically..
                  11] Give examples of Higher ROI like 30% in short term and 43% in long term (as if Warren buffet needs to learn leasons from Indian Brokers, poor guy got only 20% Compounded ROI in his career)

                  From the above expansion of Nipsys theory "Please use your own mind", as a broker will sweeten/hide facts like:-

                  1] 500+ puckka habitations/obstruction ion dway stretch, in litigation
                  2] Delhi Govt has not yet started the process of acquisition, survey, assessment and tendering of the Delhi Stretch
                  3] EC meeting notes suggest- no sewerage, water, roads to be available before 2015 (this may take longer)
                  4] Oversupply in the area due to "N" no of builders. Area across the 18.5kms and 2kms both sides of proposed dway
                  5] Conflict between Huda and MCG
                  6] Poor record of Haryana Govt in completing Infrastructure, currently worse than UP. Faridabad, largest district 1991 masterplans still languishing due to inaction.
                  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1.../edit?hl=en_GB
                  7] Record of Builders having caused mental, psychological and monetary losses. "Check Homes From Hell" https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...EE&pli=1#gid=2
                  8] Lack of administration/regulatory authority and code of conduct for builders in India


                  ATS is a part of this ecosystem and therefore cannot be viewed in isolation.. This thread has been very useful in finding out true facts and status of dway and the ATS projects.

                  If everything were to be so easy then this forum would not have existed in the first place.. Nipsy has very rightly said we are not living in a stone age and we should try to use this forum to apprise general public of any builder/broker nexus


                  Cheers
                  Last edited November 7 2011, 02:17 PM.

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                  • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

                    Great info bless u ,bhai pls advise on my thread on ireo uptown as there seem to be a problem brewing up there too

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                    • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

                      I presume we live in an age where trust is hard to come by. In this thread, there has been less talk about the project, and more time has been spent on floating conspiracy theories and questioning peoples credentials and motives.
                      We all live in an age where it is very easy to corroborate information. If the information presented in this forum is not believable or suspicious, we are just a call away from the truth. For example, there was one member who wanted to know about the apartment layouts and he himself got it in no time.

                      To do my bit, I called ATS today and came to know the following:

                      1/ ATS will launch at 4300DP & 4800CLP on 25th Nov. They were giving discount of Rs100 until 2-3 days ago.
                      2/ I asked them, how come people are getting 4300CLP offers from brokers? What about poor folks who might have bought at 4200DP just 2 days ago? They told me that it is Chintels that is involving brokers in the 3 towers they are selling.
                      3/So I asked them, it means Chintels is selling their share of the inventory at a cheaper rate than ATS. So should I go ahead and buy from the broker? They said yes, if I'm ok with it.
                      4/I also questioned them about atskocoon.in of which they told me that it is not legitimate. They said, maybe Chintels broker might have put it up. They have a meeting with Chintels today evening and can comment only tomorrow.

                      I finally told them, I've a friend who booked at 4200DP & owing to this new development now wants a full refund. They agreed and then started asking names, etc, so I hung up.

                      On my part I also saw this website, it appeared more of a generic template without any substantial info.

                      What I concluded is that ATS has goofed up on the pricing due to whatsoever reason and they are presently trying to clean up the mess.

                      But Again going by the suspicious times we live in, there might be some a malicious intent behind what they are doing, some hidden agendas, but I rather not focus my energy in that direction.

                      I humbly re-request all to please be very careful before making insinuating remarks.

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