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  • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

    BlessU Bhai,

    I think this thread has run its course. May be we should have a synopsis of this thread as the last post that details everything that has happened in the thread and then close it.

    The major points being:

    - How DExpressway projects are being hyped up by vested interests?

    - Likely delays in execution of DE infrastructure due to involvement of Haryana Govt., Delhi Govt. and other Government organizations. So, anyone looking to invest should be sure that this is a really long term investment, and if you want to play a long game with unpredictable returns then only take a plunge on the DE Way.

    - Covert Marketing in the thread by certain vested parties. Buyers need to be beware of the hype vs substance.

    - Goof-up or manipulation by the ATS in the form of attempted off-loading of the inventory at 4,850 psft whilst it is still available at 4,350 psft less whatever broker discount you manage.

    - And for all the ATS fans out there, it has delivered some very good projects but their project initiation in Gurgaon has had all the elements of price manipulation and covert practices and this is especially for the nascent Real Estate Investors who fail to spot the purported attempts of covert art of creating artificial scarcity to jack up the asked prices. So, investors and all the end-users need to exercise extreme caution and perform their due diligence before taking a step further.

    And thanks to all those who have contributed to this thread. Especially Manoj, BlessU for giving their viewpoint and Vb for providing his insight.

    Hopefully, we can all be at rest now.

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    • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

      Originally posted by BlessU View Post
      Hi
      Greetings

      Its a pity if someone can be happy about others monetary loss

      you are right I was interested in ATS before the start of this thread. However, gave up due to "lack of correct/dependable/factual information" . Also was alerted by unnecessary false propoganda and hyper online marketing effort. This was further exalted by unfair opportunity.d

      TRPs dont come from continuous lies but due to the bashing of the lies with concrete proofs.. also two investment strategies have already come out of the useless ramblings of those promoting/canvassing/marketing a builder or project singularly and have been respected by many with a thinking cap..

      check in my past posts and am I have already positioned my investments long back due to "lack of correct/dependable/factual information" accordingly..

      Still I support the cause of fellow members and would denounce all lies, deceit, misinformation and all those who do so.

      Cheers
      Bless you bro,

      i was laughing on your so obvious false claim that because of someone on this forum, people didnot buy 500 rs per sq ft cheaper , as that person had asked them to wait and buy the property more expensive. this is not omly hillarious but also a blatant lie.

      What I knew of Bless u was a sensible man ( though our views were not always similar) and with a good IQ .

      I do not know your compulsions and reasons to bash DEW ( where u claim that u are also invested) or this project but thats ok with me.
      I am totally aghast with the way you have been maligning a fellow blogger and kind of harrassing him personally ( what was the reason of analysing his personal salary and so on...that was really cheap and was not expected from you at all.) you have written lot of good blogs on this forum and i still hold lot of respect for you but taking out your personal gridges like this was not expected ( at least from you).
      You are bashing a person as he gave an information about the launch price that was not correct. Everyone knows that launch has not been done and many many persons have written that final price will be decided before the launch as usual...no deal has been done at 4800 in any case. cheating would be if someone wouldnhave said that do not buy from chintel as ATS will launch at a lower price. and then ATS would come up with a higher price.

      more is expected from a mature and intelligent person like you.

      i request if I can, to stop these kind of discussion once for an all and try to live on the forum as a family having discussions and not like pakistani and indian army on the border.

      We all are equally responsible for this state and I acknowledge my contribution to this and request a new begining from every one here.
      Last edited November 21 2011, 05:04 PM.

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      • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

        thanks mate

        Originally posted by rdhawan15 View Post
        BlessU Bhai,

        I think this thread has run its course. May be we should have a synopsis of this thread as the last post that details everything that has happened in the thread and then close it.

        The major points being:

        - How DExpressway projects are being hyped up by vested interests?

        - Likely delays in execution of DE infrastructure due to involvement of Haryana Govt., Delhi Govt. and other Government organizations. So, anyone looking to invest should be sure that this is a really long term investment, and if you want to play a long game with unpredictable returns then only take a plunge on the DE Way.

        - Covert Marketing in the thread by certain vested parties. Buyers need to be beware of the hype vs substance.

        - Goof-up or manipulation by the ATS in the form of attempted off-loading of the inventory at 4,850 psft whilst it is still available at 4,350 psft less whatever broker discount you manage.

        - And for all the ATS fans out there, it has delivered some very good projects but their project initiation in Gurgaon has had all the elements of price manipulation and covert practices and this is especially for the nascent Real Estate Investors who fail to spot the purported attempts of covert art of creating artificial scarcity to jack up the asked prices. So, investors and all the end-users need to exercise extreme caution and perform their due diligence before taking a step further.

        And thanks to all those who have contributed to this thread. Especially Manoj, BlessU for giving their viewpoint and Vb for providing his insight.

        Hopefully, we can all be at rest now.
        Hi
        Greetings

        I agree verbatim to what you have concluded/stated above.. I have many more PMs in support from NRIs with thanks. Impossibly true but some are from people who are working in the govt and serving abroad!!!

        Surely a lot need to incorporated before surrendering ones lifes savings..
        ATS is a better real estate company but overall infra and related aspects cannot be overlooked..

        Public Cremation ground takes 2 years to get constructed what to say of such large infrastructural projects http://www.indianrealestateforum.com/278835-post2.html. this is despite the fact that the department is chaired by our own Honble CM Ministers and even the courts having ruled in favour.

        Thanks for kind words once again. Hope better sense prevails..

        Cheers

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        • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

          And we should leave it at the discretion of the investors and end-users. If they can see the complete picture and are diligent, they will take the right decision.

          If they have tonnes of money lying around and won't mind going in for a high-risk high-profit game then they can surely go ahead.

          Otherwise, this is not the only and the last opportunity on DE Way. Wait for a few months and you have Mahindra and Godrej coming with their projects in 110A and 104 on DE Way. Definitely, the brand value and reputation of Mahindra/Godrej is over and above that of ATS.

          May peace and better sense prevail across this thread. Peace.

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          • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

            Great post, rdhawan15 & i agree to most of it .

            I have no personal issues with anybody in this forum & if Covert Marketing in this thread by certain vested parties stop , people stop spreading misinformation & stop manipulating things, i see no reason for peace not to prevail .

            I hope, people realize their folly & better sense prevails .



            Originally posted by rdhawan15 View Post
            BlessU Bhai,

            I think this thread has run its course. May be we should have a synopsis of this thread as the last post that details everything that has happened in the thread and then close it.

            The major points being:

            - How DExpressway projects are being hyped up by vested interests?

            - Likely delays in execution of DE infrastructure due to involvement of Haryana Govt., Delhi Govt. and other Government organizations. So, anyone looking to invest should be sure that this is a really long term investment, and if you want to play a long game with unpredictable returns then only take a plunge on the DE Way.

            - Covert Marketing in the thread by certain vested parties. Buyers need to be beware of the hype vs substance.

            - Goof-up or manipulation by the ATS in the form of attempted off-loading of the inventory at 4,850 psft whilst it is still available at 4,350 psft less whatever broker discount you manage.

            - And for all the ATS fans out there, it has delivered some very good projects but their project initiation in Gurgaon has had all the elements of price manipulation and covert practices and this is especially for the nascent Real Estate Investors who fail to spot the purported attempts of covert art of creating artificial scarcity to jack up the asked prices. So, investors and all the end-users need to exercise extreme caution and perform their due diligence before taking a step further.

            And thanks to all those who have contributed to this thread. Especially Manoj, BlessU for giving their viewpoint and Vb for providing his insight.

            Hopefully, we can all be at rest now.
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            • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

              summary ?

              [QUOTE=rahul2011;278209]
              Originally posted by rahul2011 View Post
              Several Questions have been asked regarding this project:

              1) DEW : Please go to DEW thread : most of the questions have been answered with evidence. Thanks Rudder, MKt and others.
              The DEW is expected to be there in 2 to 3 years ( as per HUDA 1 year).

              People are open and free to take their own call.
              I believe that by the time these projects like Shobha, ATS e.t.c will be handed over DEW will be there in its full glory.

              At that time only the time will tell what will be the market price:

              Our projection and expectation is that they will be around Dwarka prices of today( around 8k to 9K).

              2) ATS buillder reputation: ATS reputation is among the best in NCR in terms quality and customer satisfaction. Feel free to go and visit ATS greens . Read this thread : there are views from the existing customers .

              3) Proximity to Delhi factor: Well This is not a rocket science. It is 5 minutes drive from Delhi.Parallel on NH8 is DLF phase 1.
              Do not jump I am not comparing it to DLF 1 but giving a feeling of what we are talking about.

              This sector is close to Diplomative enclave shows that the area will have very good infrastructure and access. Alos the Greenary , environmental quotient will be very high.

              Dwarka phase 2 will have lot of International venues, (read Dwarka phase 2 developments on net), Exhbition venues, (pragati maidan soughts ) e.t.c.

              This sector is few minutes drive from this and DEW starts from this point.(Thanks Bhalla ji)

              4) The sector its self is also a commercial belt : means that all the shopping malls and other commercial areas and facilities will be available on the walking distance.

              5) Luxury communities and other surroundings: The luxurious Shobha Villa community is adjoining this project ( selling at 4crore to 5 crore plus per villa). The atmosphere and the gentry of this sector will be any ones guess.

              Other projects include: Raheja-Arabtec (khalifa tower fame), Chintels, and others.

              6) Specs of ATS project: Read this thread the layout is posted. The specs include Modular kitchen, Marble, wooden laminated flooring, imported tile e.t.c. normal upper segment specs. The apartment will be AC.
              The similar specs are been launched at 7k to 9K in SPR.
              The final specs will come on the launch.

              7) Price: This has been discussed many times. The pre launch was at 3800 DP and 4350 CLP. Some very few special (long term customers who have invested in more than 1 ATS projects ) were offered 3500 DP.

              Now Chintels has sold in their prlaunch at 4350 CLP.

              The launch will be done soon. The launch price is expected to be 4300 DP and 4800 CLP. there will be some inaugural discount .

              There are some units reserved for NRIs and HNI . This is done keep the gentry posh and diversified.

              Now no one is justifying the prices and forcing it on others (as claimed).

              The pricing is subject to demand and supply equation.

              It seems there is huge response at ATS and Chintels ( reason of closing the prelaunch in a day or 2) for the initial launch price. People would like to avail the inaugral discount.

              You will be surprised , I have receive many PMs from the very people here who some times to impress the powerful broker lobby here criticise this project or DEW asking for my help if I can get them a deal. ( I didnot reply to them as I am not an agent or a broker) . For moral reasons I will not put the messages here. I am an investor living in Europe working in a Hi tech industry having missed many times the bus in past after reading the negative comments on the Forum and realising that investment in RE at the launching price of the project of a good builder at a good location is the only way I can fight inflation and could afford a decent house for myself and my children when I choose to come back. The pace RE prices have gone up in NCR is not only unrealistic but also unfair for people who earn their living in a foreign land but their savings after such big sacrifices is worthless and could not keep pace with the inflation in RE.But unfortunately this the reality of India RE. So we have to invest now as early as possible and at a very early phases of a project with a credible company, builder and at a good strategic location.

              This is my POV .


              I hope some of the answers are here.

              Dhavan sir thanks for your summary.inhope some ofvthe answers are here too.

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              • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

                Originally posted by rahul2011 View Post
                Bless you bro,

                i was laughing on your so obvious false claim that because of someone on this forum, people didnot buy 500 rs per sq ft cheaper , as that person had asked them to wait and buy the property more expensive. this is not omly hillarious but also a blatant lie.

                What I knew of Bless u was a sensible man ( though our views were not always similar) and with a good IQ .

                I do not know your compulsions and reasons to bash DEW ( where u claim that u are also invested) or this project but thats ok with me.
                I am totally aghast with the way you have been maligning a fellow blogger and kind of harrassing him personally ( what was the reason of analysing his personal salary and so on...that was really cheap and was not expected from you at all.) you have written lot of good blogs on this forum and i still hold lot of respect for you but taking out your personal gridges like this was not expected ( at least from you).
                You are bashing a person as he gave an information about the launch price that was not correct. Everyone knows that launch has not been done and many many persons have written that final price will be decided before the launch as usual...no deal has been done at 4800 in any case. cheating would be if someone wouldnhave said that do not buy from chintel as ATS will launch at a lower price. and then ATS would come up with a higher price.

                more is expected from a mature and intelligent person like you.

                i request if I can, to stop these kind of discussion once for an all and try to live on the forum as a family having discussions and not like pakistani and indian army on the border.

                We all are equally responsible for this state and I acknowledge my contribution to this and request a new begining from every one here.
                Hi
                Greetings

                You are as much dear to me as any other blogger or even a Pakistani if he talks factually and does not provoke me while many a instances of goof ups and surprises have been admitted on pricing and launch of ATS..

                Truly and very rightly like the idiotic comments of musharaf (no capitals for this low life) claiming that Dawood Ibrahim, a gangster and murderer is looked upon as a saviour and given all luxuries by them (pakistani).. Our foreign secretary very rightly commented that this idiot (musharaf) is his biggest enemy (now being sheltered by UK just like benazir bhutoo his adversary, idiot enough as cant understand the UK state politics)..

                Point is amongst us why do we need to lie?? why not to accept certain arguments that backed up with factual information??.. With this I also encourage all to utter only factual information only and refrain from speculation. Certainly not on others capabilities, profession, incomes and profits.

                I am least bother about the personal details, names, salaries, jobs of Psuedo personalities on the blog.. My mention was to give a true picture of job and salary scenario in UK/London having spent time in that market in continuation to Shkhans analysis. This is also because of links with few HR people at senior positions with global multinationals not only in IT but retail, construction, autos as well as infra.

                I am personally harassed by various allegations leveled on me for being called a broker, commission agent, spammer, lacking credibility etc.. Many like minded forum members have complained to IREF against such allegations from time to time and have posted in my support..

                Also Like I commented earlier let us not be our own enemy and do/follow what we say. If somebody doesn't like my facts.. back off.. please dont provoke..

                Regarding bashing of dway its true fact based and fundamental.. A Public Crematory despite all regularities and court orders is pending construction since last 2 years in GGN. That too despite the earnest efforts of having filed an FIR by the department headed by our honble chief minister..http://www.indianrealestateforum.com/278835-post2.html

                what to assume of dway??? Its the same agencies mate..plus a lot of unknown others capable of spoiling the brooth.. my caution to all NRIs/investors/enduser.. BE WARNED OF HYPER VIRAL MARKETING. this is not coming soon..


                Cheers

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                • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

                  summary ?

                  [QUOTE=rahul2011;278209]
                  Originally posted by rahul2011 View Post
                  Several Questions have been asked regarding this project:

                  1) DEW : Please go to DEW thread : most of the questions have been answered with evidence. Thanks Rudder, MKt and others.
                  The DEW is expected to be there in 2 to 3 years ( as per HUDA 1 year).

                  People are open and free to take their own call.
                  I believe that by the time these projects like Shobha, ATS e.t.c will be handed over DEW will be there in its full glory.

                  At that time only the time will tell what will be the market price:

                  Our projection and expectation is that they will be around Dwarka prices of today( around 8k to 9K).

                  2) ATS buillder reputation: ATS reputation is among the best in NCR in terms quality and customer satisfaction. Feel free to go and visit ATS greens . Read this thread : there are views from the existing customers .

                  3) Proximity to Delhi factor: Well This is not a rocket science. It is 5 minutes drive from Delhi.Parallel on NH8 is DLF phase 1.
                  Do not jump I am not comparing it to DLF 1 but giving a feeling of what we are talking about.

                  This sector is close to Diplomative enclave shows that the area will have very good infrastructure and access. Alos the Greenary , environmental quotient will be very high.

                  Dwarka phase 2 will have lot of International venues, (read Dwarka phase 2 developments on net), Exhbition venues, (pragati maidan soughts ) e.t.c.

                  This sector is few minutes drive from this and DEW starts from this point.(Thanks Bhalla ji)

                  4) The sector its self is also a commercial belt : means that all the shopping malls and other commercial areas and facilities will be available on the walking distance.

                  5) Luxury communities and other surroundings: The luxurious Shobha Villa community is adjoining this project ( selling at 4crore to 5 crore plus per villa). The atmosphere and the gentry of this sector will be any ones guess.

                  Other projects include: Raheja-Arabtec (khalifa tower fame), Chintels, and others.

                  6) Specs of ATS project: Read this thread the layout is posted. The specs include Modular kitchen, Marble, wooden laminated flooring, imported tile e.t.c. normal upper segment specs. The apartment will be AC.
                  The similar specs are been launched at 7k to 9K in SPR.
                  The final specs will come on the launch.

                  7) Price: This has been discussed many times. The pre launch was at 3800 DP and 4350 CLP. Some very few special (long term customers who have invested in more than 1 ATS projects ) were offered 3500 DP.

                  Now Chintels has sold in their prlaunch at 4350 CLP.

                  The launch will be done soon. The launch price is expected to be 4300 DP and 4800 CLP. there will be some inaugural discount .

                  There are some units reserved for NRIs and HNI . This is done keep the gentry posh and diversified.

                  Now no one is justifying the prices and forcing it on others (as claimed).

                  The pricing is subject to demand and supply equation.

                  It seems there is huge response at ATS and Chintels ( reason of closing the prelaunch in a day or 2) for the initial launch price. People would like to avail the inaugral discount.

                  You will be surprised , I have receive many PMs from the very people here who some times to impress the powerful broker lobby here criticise this project or DEW asking for my help if I can get them a deal. ( I didnot reply to them as I am not an agent or a broker) . For moral reasons I will not put the messages here. I am an investor living in Europe working in a Hi tech industry having missed many times the bus in past after reading the negative comments on the Forum and realising that investment in RE at the launching price of the project of a good builder at a good location is the only way I can fight inflation and could afford a decent house for myself and my children when I choose to come back. The pace RE prices have gone up in NCR is not only unrealistic but also unfair for people who earn their living in a foreign land but their savings after such big sacrifices is worthless and could not keep pace with the inflation in RE.But unfortunately this the reality of India RE. So we have to invest now as early as possible and at a very early phases of a project with a credible company, builder and at a good strategic location.

                  This is my POV .


                  I hope some of the answers are here.

                  Dhavan sir thanks for your summary.i hope some of opinions are here too.

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                  • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

                    Hi
                    Greetings

                    In every bodies interest, peace of mind, maintaining decorum on the forum, prevent further misunderstanding, misinformation, lies, deceit, mudslinging, harassment, canvassing/promoting/marketing of a particular project or builder

                    Request IREF to close this thread

                    Cheers

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                    • Re : ATS Kocoon, ATS, Sector 109, Gurgaon

                      Hi Guys,

                      Just came in today afternoon, saw the shape of thread and tried to pen down my views. Half an hour later, when it was posting time, The post Vanished.

                      The Second instance at around 5:20Pm, i gave it a second try, spent 15 minutes, result the same.

                      Third and final try at 6:30 PM for 5 minutes now

                      Get ready for some suspensions now, they are bound to come (anytime) now :

                      My take : whatever you might think :

                      1. Please be respectful to all
                      2. Please dont declare somebody a broker, on an open forum. Just in case somebody is not, how would he feel !(Even Indian Court says : Let 100 Culprits go free, but let not one innocent be punished) Then who are we to judge others ?
                      3. Pls report any wrong posting to the Mods, they are here to help us.
                      4. Dont be judgemental. I can understand that we are emotional people but we need to rein in our emotions, especially when interacting with equally emotional people.
                      5. Please Please Please dont look to pick up a fight, just to prove a point. There are other ways too.
                      6. The one who takes the course of silence is not always afraid, or the looser.

                      My friend BlessU n me were not on the same page before this thread, but he has given a very nice, and yet simple theory on making money. I guess I owe him one for that.

                      Love U BlessU
                      If it was easy, everybody would be doing it.

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