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  • Re : NPR - Northern Peripheral Road, Dwarka Expressway, Gurgaon Updates

    Patnapratap,

    Refer ur note siting stock.
    Good write up of ur post and very engaging expression style...kudos...

    But plots and flats on Dwarka Expressway is not a STOCK ...it is a fixed asset
    the base cost of land ( valued on todays selling price ) and construction works out Rs. 2000 to 3000 per sq foot ??? Depending on facilities, amenities, material class etc. and DENSITY ( land cost included).

    We all would expect the builder to make some profit , so add the profit...

    In worst case scenario I do not see 5000 going to 250
    It may remain 5000 after 3 years but say DE completes in 5 years or 7 then I see this being 8000 to 10000 per sqft

    I hear ( please confirm ) that half a km ahead in the surrounding of Mahindra Aura there is a apartment block which is habituated despite no DE access .....Sells at 2500 and 3 bed room rent is 17000

    Investing with good builders whose debt ratio is positive and have a good track record can be an answer to the concern you have well expressed.

    I may be wrong..or biased as I think this is a good long term bet.....

    Rather in my opinion investing in 350 Acre of DLF project may be risky as it is a BIG project, has high rates already and DLF debt equity right now seems a bit of challenge...however given they are such visionarys and have a good track record I may be wrong.

    The answer is in investing with a company with healthy financials, good track record at a good entry price point and looking at a 3 to 5 year scenario.

    In 10 years I see GCX ETC ALL AT 15,000 to 20,000 per sq ft plus as all said and done all these areas have a finite supply of land ( though it is thousands of acres, it is still finite) and the Indian ration of rising middle and higher middle class income with migration to cities will fuel growth.

    My POV.
    Vb
    Last edited by VB_States; February 15 2012, 03:02 PM.
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    • Re : NPR - Northern Peripheral Road, Dwarka Expressway, Gurgaon Updates

      A very objective and clinical explanation.

      Fully agree! Thanks VB


      Originally posted by vb2309 View Post
      Patnapratap,

      Refer ur note siting stock.
      Good write up of ur post and very engaging expression style...kudos...

      But plots and flats on Dwarka Expressway is not a STOCK ...it is a fixed asset
      the base cost of land ( valued on todays selling price ) and construction works out Rs. 2000 to 3000 per sq foot ??? Depending on facilities, amenities, material class etc. and DENSITY ( land cost included).

      We all would expect the builder to make some profit , so add the profit...

      In worst case scenario I do not see 5000 going to 250
      It may remain 5000 after 3 years but say DE completes in 5 years or 7 then I see this being 8000 to 10000 per sqft

      I hear ( please confirm ) that half a km ahead in the surrounding of Mahindra Aura there is a apartment block which is habituated despite no DE access .....Sells at 2500 and 3 bed room rent is 17000

      Investing with good builders whose debt ratio is positive and have a good track record can be an answer to the concern you have well expressed.

      I may be wrong..or biased as I think this is a good long term bet.....

      Rather in my opinion investing in 350 Acre of DLF project may be risky as it is a BIG project, has high rates already and DLF debt equity right now seems a bit of challenge...however given they are such visionarys and have a good track record I may be wrong.

      The answer is in investing with a company with healthy financials, good track record at a good entry price point and looking at a 3 to 5 year scenario.

      In 10 years I see GCX ETC ALL AT 15,000 to 20,000 per sq ft plus as all said and done all these areas have a finite supply of land ( though it is thousands of acres, it is still finite) and the Indian ration of rising middle and higher middle class income with migration to cities will fuel growth.

      My POV.
      Vb

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      • Re : NPR - Northern Peripheral Road, Dwarka Expressway, Gurgaon Updates

        Originally posted by vb2309 View Post
        Patnapratap,

        Refer ur note siting stock.
        Good write up of ur post and very engaging expression style...kudos...

        But plots and flats on Dwarka Expressway is not a STOCK ...it is a fixed asset
        the base cost of land ( valued on todays selling price ) and construction works out Rs. 2000 to 3000 per sq foot ??? Depending on facilities, amenities, material class etc. and DENSITY ( land cost included).

        We all would expect the builder to make some profit , so add the profit...

        In worst case scenario I do not see 5000 going to 250
        It may remain 5000 after 3 years but say DE completes in 5 years or 7 then I see this being 8000 to 10000 per sqft

        I hear ( please confirm ) that half a km ahead in the surrounding of Mahindra Aura there is a apartment block which is habituated despite no DE access .....Sells at 2500 and 3 bed room rent is 17000

        Investing with good builders whose debt ratio is positive and have a good track record can be an answer to the concern you have well expressed.

        I may be wrong..or biased as I think this is a good long term bet.....

        Rather in my opinion investing in 350 Acre of DLF project may be risky as it is a BIG project, has high rates already and DLF debt equity right now seems a bit of challenge...however given they are such visionarys and have a good track record I may be wrong.

        The answer is in investing with a company with healthy financials, good track record at a good entry price point and looking at a 3 to 5 year scenario.

        In 10 years I see GCX ETC ALL AT 15,000 to 20,000 per sq ft plus as all said and done all these areas have a finite supply of land ( though it is thousands of acres, it is still finite) and the Indian ration of rising middle and higher middle class income with migration to cities will fuel growth.

        My POV.
        Vb
        A much better and mature way to debate. We may disagree on certain aspects, still we all are free to have our own POV.

        Under the current scenario, the main point of worry ( POW...also known as prisoner of war ;-)) is the unrealistic rates. As few are suggesting that Dway will be delayed and slowly it looks a possibility, the current levels are going to hurt both the investors and end users.

        The rates do not reflect risk:time frame...that's what justified when I say would have seriously considered @3000-3500/ CLP. At those levels one can hope of still making money if projects get delayed due to litigation on Dway.

        Here, I really gasp with the courage of you guys to invest at DP. In my book this is not early movers advantage, rather too risky a proposition. God forbid if anything goes wrong...what is left with you.
        Regards,
        Last edited by rs2507; February 15 2012, 03:47 PM.
        "Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition."

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        • Re : NPR - Northern Peripheral Road, Dwarka Expressway, Gurgaon Updates

          People have started grudgingly acknowledging that D e way may take 5 to 7 years to complete & something bought today at 5000 could be 8 to 10 K then . Simply to say, people r now acknowledging the at the best they r expecting FD kind of returns .

          Thanks for the post & agreeing to what, many of us have been saying
          .



          QUOTE=vb2309;334624]Patnapratap,

          Refer ur note siting stock.
          Good write up of ur post and very engaging expression style...kudos...

          But plots and flats on Dwarka Expressway is not a STOCK ...it is a fixed asset
          the base cost of land ( valued on todays selling price ) and construction works out Rs. 2000 to 3000 per sq foot ??? Depending on facilities, amenities, material class etc. and DENSITY ( land cost included).

          We all would expect the builder to make some profit , so add the profit...

          In worst case scenario I do not see 5000 going to 250
          It may remain 5000 after 3 years but say DE completes in 5 years or 7 then I see this being 8000 to 10000 per sqft

          I hear ( please confirm ) that half a km ahead in the surrounding of Mahindra Aura there is a apartment block which is habituated despite no DE access .....Sells at 2500 and 3 bed room rent is 17000

          Investing with good builders whose debt ratio is positive and have a good track record can be an answer to the concern you have well expressed.

          I may be wrong..or biased as I think this is a good long term bet.....

          Rather in my opinion investing in 350 Acre of DLF project may be risky as it is a BIG project, has high rates already and DLF debt equity right now seems a bit of challenge...however given they are such visionarys and have a good track record I may be wrong.

          The answer is in investing with a company with healthy financials, good track record at a good entry price point and looking at a 3 to 5 year scenario.

          In 10 years I see GCX ETC ALL AT 15,000 to 20,000 per sq ft plus as all said and done all these areas have a finite supply of land ( though it is thousands of acres, it is still finite) and the Indian ration of rising middle and higher middle class income with migration to cities will fuel growth.

          My POV.
          Vb[/QUOTE]
          Last edited by MANOJa; February 15 2012, 03:26 PM.
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          • Re : NPR - Northern Peripheral Road, Dwarka Expressway, Gurgaon Updates

            Originally posted by vb2309 View Post
            U have answered it urself !!!!!!!
            2000 to 5000
            And it means nothing to you !
            It means a lot to some investors!
            Hilarious to see that people calling buyers ( who can give 1 c as DP or who has spending power of 70 lac plus ) poor , innocent and what not.
            the reason there are increasing number of buyers and price increase is that more and more people beleive in a project ( it will remain dream for some for ever) . otherwise bros miracle to GGN mein kahin nahin dikhta... the infra of complete ggn is nothing as comared to any third class city of developed countries. people invest for future as they believe in future. this is the basisi of all the investment instruments in the world.

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            • Re : NPR - Northern Peripheral Road, Dwarka Expressway, Gurgaon Updates

              Originally posted by MANOJa View Post
              People have started grudgingly acknowledging that D e way may take 5 to 7 years to complete & something bought today at 5000 could be 8 to 10 K then . Simply to say, people r now acknowledging the at the best they r expecting FD kind of returns .

              Thanks for the post & agreeing to what, many of us have been saying
              .


              r
              QUOTE=vb2309;334624]Patnapratap,

              Refer ur note siting stock.
              Good write up of ur post and very engaging expression style...kudos...

              But plots and flats on Dwarka Expressway is not a STOCK ...it is a fixed asset
              the base cost of land ( valued on todays selling price ) and construction works out Rs. 2000 to 3000 per sq foot ??? Depending on facilities, amenities, material class etc. and DENSITY ( land cost included).

              We all would expect the builder to make some profit , so add the profit...

              In worst case scenario I do not see 5000 going to 250
              It may remain 5000 after 3 years but say DE completes in 5 years or 7 then I see this being 8000 to 10000 per sqft

              I hear ( please confirm ) that half a km ahead in the surrounding of Mahindra Aura there is a apartment block which is habituated despite no DE access .....Sells at 2500 and 3 bed room rent is 17000

              Investing with good builders whose debt ratio is positive and have a good track record can be an answer to the concern you have well expressed.

              I may be wrong..or biased as I think this is a good long term bet.....

              Rather in my opinion investing in 350 Acre of DLF project may be risky as it is a BIG project, has high rates already and DLF debt equity right now seems a bit of challenge...however given they are such visionarys and have a good track record I may be wrong.

              The answer is in investing with a company with healthy financials, good track record at a good entry price point and looking at a 3 to 5 year scenario.

              In 10 years I see GCX ETC ALL AT 15,000 to 20,000 per sq ft plus as all said and done all these areas have a finite supply of land ( though it is thousands of acres, it is still finite) and the Indian ration of rising middle and higher middle class income with migration to cities will fuel growth.

              My POV.
              Vb
              [/QUOTE]

              Boss I once gave you a open challenge of a bet.. ( only few months back ) that price will increase by 20-25 percent in a year. now facts are already here. return on chintels, ATS prelaunch, mahindra aura , are all in that range..

              now i give you another challenge .. one year from now the prices will jump agin 20 percent minimum on the average.


              leave the shit out and stop wasting time. accept the open challenge. if you loose leave the board for ever.

              Till than chill!

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              • Re : NPR - Northern Peripheral Road, Dwarka Expressway, Gurgaon Updates

                Originally posted by rs2507 View Post
                A much better and mature way to debate. We may disagree on certain aspects, still we all are free to have our own POV.
                Under the current scenario, the main point of worry ( POW...also known as prisoner of war ;-)) is the unrealistic rates. As few are suggesting that Dway will be delayed and slowly it looks a possibility, the current levels are going to hurt both the investors and end users. The rates do not reflect risk:time frame...that's what justified when I say would have seriously considered @3000-3500/ CLP. At those levels one can hope of still making money if projects get delayed due to litigation on Dway.
                Here, I really gasp with the courage of you guys to invest at DP. In my book this is not early movers advantage, rather too risky a proposition. God forbid if anything goes wrong...what is left with you.
                Regards,
                Hi
                Greetings

                Interesting thing is most 10x builders are smart enough to cover their back side and insulate from any risk by either selling on DP or asking for upto 70% of payment WITHIN 360 days!!! (Apna Kaam Chalta Aisi Taisi Karagai Janta)

                Check ghost building of raheja in 10x and ATS payment plan..

                Worst will be when about 15 of the 10x sector inventories will be in the market competing against each other. It gives me a conviction that oversupply will hurt the growth ambitions of many.

                This recession will be exalted due to
                lack of infra/poor infra,
                poor connectivity with old gurgaon/NH8/Dwarka/Delhi/Airport/SPR etc
                lack of social infra (schools, hospitals)
                Lack of commercial infra (demand getting severely hit due to abondonment of SEZ- till now being projected as a major contributor for economic activity)

                Recession for 10x sectors is inevitable and resale activity may take a hit due to oversupply, unless a fast track development of dway does not happen.

                Cheers
                Last edited by BlessU; February 15 2012, 03:43 PM.

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                • Re : NPR - Northern Peripheral Road, Dwarka Expressway, Gurgaon Updates

                  U need to chill . I am always chilled .

                  ..........& please play the getting games with your kind . I do not indulge in such activities .


                  If u do not agree, stop commenting on my posts & wasting everybody's time . Phele bhi ek Bhai saab ne Maun Varat rakha tha ( it was to suit his needs ) . U can do something similar .


                  Also another piece of advise ( i remember somebody else also gave it to u, earlier on ) - change your language & writing style. It gives on to who u r & what u do professionally .





                  Boss I once gave you a open challenge of a bet.. ( only few months back ) that price will increase by 20-25 percent in a year. now facts are already here. return on chintels, ATS prelaunch, mahindra aura , are all in that range..

                  now i give you another challenge .. one year from now the prices will jump agin 20 percent minimum on the average.


                  leave the shit out and stop wasting time. accept the open challenge. if you loose leave the board for ever.

                  Till than chill![/QUOTE]
                  Last edited by MANOJa; February 15 2012, 03:56 PM.
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                  • Re : NPR - Northern Peripheral Road, Dwarka Expressway, Gurgaon Updates

                    This was on some other thread . Have posted to the relevant thread .


                    Aab koi LOLU phir se apni free & unneccasary advise na dene aa jaye !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




                    Originally posted by Harmeet9000 View Post
                    KMP, the most presitigious projects not just for Haryana but the GOI as it was started on Supreme Court's directions to manage Delhi's outbursting traffic, was supposed to be over in 2yrs has taken almost 5 yrs with only 70% completion. Now when, inspite of everyone's hawk eyes on KMP & directly under NHAI, the project is grossly delayed (wrt its original deadlines) how can one expect DE to be managed by Huda & DDA/PWD to be over in 3 yrs. A realistic time period is atleast 7-9 yrs. & probably that too for the 62 mtr road initially & not a 150 mtr road. Bhagwan bhalla karein un sab ka jo DE pe invested hain.
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                    • Re : NPR - Northern Peripheral Road, Dwarka Expressway, Gurgaon Updates

                      I saw some mud laying work behind sectors 99/102, and after inquiring, came to know that the work has begun for 60 mtr. sector road connecting the existing road that divides sector 99 and 102, will pass behind sector 106/109 and will connect Delhi near sector 115. Can someone confirm this!, because if this is true then the connectivity, though longer, will happen, to connect Delhi all the way till Sector 99, in case Dwarka Eway is delayed for long in litigation.

                      Will try to get some aerial pics whenever I get a chance...

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