A lot of companies are advertising for property citing nearness to Dwarka expressway corridor.

Shilas, Indiabulls Centrum Park and Ramprastha Edge Tower come to mind.

Does anybody have news on when this construction will start and when it is likely to finish? Has the contract been awarded and to whom?
Date of completion and start of operation will be vital news for evaluating the pricing of flats sold in this corridor.

Last I heard was that a few houses in Palam Vihar were slated for demolition for this expressway in May June 09 or thereabouts.
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  • In an ideal world, your view holds ground, but not in India. There are many factors playing in the population. Bref, India is not China, where things are properly planned and executed, and those who don't agree are executed.
    cheers.

    Originally Posted by ashu_sharmaa
    I don't understand the logic when someone says that lots of people live in unauthorised colonies, and they don't have a choice but to buy in unauthorised colonies. The argument doesn't hold water.....Everyone has choices. And Choices can be many. Example: Hold off purchase and buy later when you have wherewith awls to buy. Or buy smaller pieces of land in authorised areas or buy flats (Simple)...Or stay rented...Tough to believe that people are poor, but live in 250+ sq yards pieces of land (Really?? Who are we bluffing here?). These people wanted more space and that too landed by paying less, and they were ready to risk the house investment for the temptation of getting more space. So who is responsible if they suffer? They themselves are, because they bought into the risk. Unless they were not aware of unauthorised nature of land - Highly unlikely.......Who is guilty? Not sure if the person who sold the land is guilty, unless there was an intent to cheat by hiding facts that this was agri land. It can be a farmer or a builder. But that can't be assumed. It has to be proven that facts were hidden. And till the time its proven, I am not accepting that argument. No way

    And its again superfluous to say 'Why not demolish other unauthorised colonies before this one?'. That way we can't start anywhere. Its like a criminal arguing that- First punish another criminal before punishing me, and that way no one gets punished. Thats the worst kind of argument

    Why target this colony? because its coming in the way of an important project. So there is urgency. Why is that so tough to understand? Yes there are commercial forces at play and some of them corrupt, and there will be with any such project. But waiting till all of that corruption goes away before we demolish and construct, means this or any such project will never get done. Are we waiting for Nirvana? If yes, then the intelligence behind that call is highly highly questionable. And it can't be an excuse for unauthorised colonies coming up anyway. How can it be?

    Agra highway: Lets not even go there, because this is not comparable. Admittedly by the member- Those are authorised and NPV is not. Where is is comparison? We can have sympathy for Agra highway sufferers, but not NPV

    Bottomline: For any big project like this, there is always a set of people who suffer. Else no project of importance will progress. Thats how development of an area happens (Can it happen any other way? Appreciate, if someone can enlighten me). There is a greater good theory at play. We can have sympathies for NPV residents, but lot of that goes away because they took the decision of building unauthorised homes knowingly.....And if they are being greedy (Which we will know after the results of HUDA application process comes out. I am not assuming that based on few people here trumpeting that the application process has already failed), then they will lose all sympathy. At least mine
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  • Originally Posted by ultichakri
    अश्वं नैव गजं नैव व्याघ्रं नैव च नैव च |
    अजापुत्रं बलिं दद्याद्देवो दुर्बलघातक: ||


    Not a horse, not an elephant, not a tiger is ever offered as a sacrifice at an altar. It is a baby goat which is offered as a sacrifice

    when dmrc project came to delhi lot of peoples (HIGH PROFILE RICHES) who were having properties bunglows and thats to corner one, has to loose their properties for construction of metro stations and were compensated at the rate of 1/10th of market prices.
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  • There is a tendency to demonize the act of purchase of agricultural land (to used for construction, unauthrised may be) by investors of that land, post Deway announcement (Risky investment having the risk of being nullified).

    These investors of land seek superior returns in consonance with the risk profile of their investment decision and even prepared for prolonged litigation (some for compensation and some of end use)

    "It is very difficicult to kill a man who is hell bent on committing suicide"

    This act of purchase agricultural land (to used for construction, unauthrised may be),is being critisized by those investors who have invested in DEway builder projects (mostly w/o due diligence) as the investors in NPV seek litigation, protest and are working for protection of their interst.

    In delhi 1250 odd colonies are unauthorised (construction), even Sainik Farms and Aradhan Enclave, Portion of Shanti Niketan (ultra elite localities, where investment is seen as of high regard).

    Govyt of Delhi is movig to authorise theese construction by notifications and not demolishing them. I belive HUDA is also moving on same lines.



    Originally Posted by ashu_sharmaa
    I don't understand the logic when someone says that lots of people live in unauthorised colonies, and they don't have a choice but to buy in unauthorised colonies. The argument doesn't hold water.....Everyone has choices. And Choices can be many. Example: Hold off purchase and buy later when you have wherewith awls to buy. Or buy smaller pieces of land in authorised areas or buy flats (Simple)...Or stay rented...Tough to believe that people are poor, but live in 250+ sq yards pieces of land (Really?? Who are we bluffing here?). These people wanted more space and that too landed by paying less, and they were ready to risk the house investment for the temptation of getting more space. So who is responsible if they suffer? They themselves are, because they bought into the risk. Unless they were not aware of unauthorised nature of land - Highly unlikely.......Who is guilty? Not sure if the person who sold the land is guilty, unless there was an intent to cheat by hiding facts that this was agri land. It can be a farmer or a builder. But that can't be assumed. It has to be proven that facts were hidden. And till the time its proven, I am not accepting that argument. No way

    And its again superfluous to say 'Why not demolish other unauthorised colonies before this one?'. That way we can't start anywhere. Its like a criminal arguing that- First punish another criminal before punishing me, and that way no one gets punished. Thats the worst kind of argument

    Why target this colony? because its coming in the way of an important project. So there is urgency. Why is that so tough to understand? Yes there are commercial forces at play and some of them corrupt, and there will be with any such project. But waiting till all of that corruption goes away before we demolish and construct, means this or any such project will never get done. Are we waiting for Nirvana? If yes, then the intelligence behind that call is highly highly questionable. And it can't be an excuse for unauthorised colonies coming up anyway. How can it be?

    Agra highway: Lets not even go there, because this is not comparable. Admittedly by the member- Those are authorised and NPV is not. Where is is comparison? We can have sympathy for Agra highway sufferers, but not NPV

    Bottomline: For any big project like this, there is always a set of people who suffer. Else no project of importance will progress. Thats how development of an area happens (Can it happen any other way? Appreciate, if someone can enlighten me). There is a greater good theory at play. We can have sympathies for NPV residents, but lot of that goes away because they took the decision of building unauthorised homes knowingly.....And if they are being greedy (Which we will know after the results of HUDA application process comes out. I am not assuming that based on few people here trumpeting that the application process has already failed), then they will lose all sympathy. At least mine
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  • I have visited Shanghai, and ciuriously met one person who lost his hose for one of infrastructure projects for Shanghai,.

    He said" Yous see India has lot of chaos, may be not beautiful from outside world, bus has its roots firmly in ground in terms of belief systms, In China it is beautiful from outside but the foundations are built on blood and bodies of people."

    Originally Posted by Black Knight
    In an ideal world, your view holds ground, but not in India. There are many factors playing in the population. Bref, India is not China, where things are properly planned and executed, and those who don't agree are executed.
    cheers.
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  • Originally Posted by ga_fms
    There is a tendency to demonize the act of purchase of agricultural land (to used for construction, unauthrised may be) by investors of that land, post Deway announcement (Risky investment having the risk of being nullified).

    These investors of land seek superior returns in consonance with the risk profile of their investment decision and even prepared for prolonged litigation (some for compensation and some of end use)

    "It is very difficicult to kill a man who is hell bent on committing suicide"

    This act of purchase agricultural land (to used for construction, unauthrised may be),is being critisized by those investors who have invested in DEway builder projects (mostly w/o due diligence) as the investors in NPV seek litigation, protest and are working for protection of their interst.

    In delhi 1250 odd colonies are unauthorised (construction), even Sainik Farms and Aradhan Enclave, Portion of Shanti Niketan (ultra elite localities, where investment is seen as of high regard).

    Govyt of Delhi is movig to authorise theese construction by notifications and not demolishing them. I belive HUDA is also moving on same lines.


    You are saying that "Unauthorised (Construction) are demonised", as if they are on the right side of the law. Are they? Ofcourse unauthorised will be criticised for flouting laws and norms. Whats wrong with that?

    If investors have purchased without due Diligence (At the least they are on the right side of the law of the land), have the NPV residents done their diligence when they purchased the land and built houses?......If they did do their due diligence, then they were all breaking law knowingly. If they did not do the due diligence, how are they any better than the investors?

    Many have invested in DEW looking at the legalities and believing that the law of the land will prevail. Are you saying that they were wrong in believing in that?
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  • Originally Posted by ashu_sharmaa
    .Everyone has choices. And Choices can be many. Example: Hold off purchase and buy later when you have wherewith awls to buy. Or buy smaller pieces of land


    So why do people buy under-construction? Why not wait and save money and buy RTM?
    Why do people pay cash? Why not wait for an all cheque deal?
    It is easy to preach. Very very easy.
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  • Originally Posted by pkk077
    So why do people buy under-construction? Why not wait and save money and buy RTM?
    Why do people pay cash? Why not wait for an all cheque deal?
    It is easy to preach. Very very easy.


    Its easy to preach and practice as well. Thats why there are so many people who end up sticking to legal choices.

    All you are saying is that - People take to illegal choices because of greed, so it is justified. Going by that rationale, everything illegal is justified
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  • One thing is true, it has been two years since I have observed and NCR litigation has not yet been solved !!

    Yes NCR has been built 70 per cent .
    Yes sector roads SEVENTY METRES. are being build.

    I am not much worried about NCR now as it provides arterial connectivity to sector roads.

    DEW are will be habitable in next one year .
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  • NPV land (agricultural) owners are on right side of law, if they have the registered title deeds.

    The land use (construction) is unauthorised - Maybe HUDA is in process of regularizing this?The max authorities can do is demolish the construction (maybe,after a long legal battle).But this will not help complete operationalization of DEway.

    DEway Builder project's investors are not even parties to dispute, therefore being on left or right side of law do not arise.



    Originally Posted by ashu_sharmaa
    You are saying that "Unauthorised (Construction) are demonised", as if they are on the right side of the law. Are they? Ofcourse unauthorised will be criticised for flouting laws and norms. Whats wrong with that?

    If investors have purchased without due Diligence (At the least they are on the right side of the law of the land), have the NPV residents done their diligence when they purchased the land and built houses?......If they did do their due diligence, then they were all breaking law knowingly. If they did not do the due diligence, how are they any better than the investors?

    Many have invested in DEW looking at the legalities and believing that the law of the land will be held supreme. Are you saying that they were wrong in believing in that?
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  • Originally Posted by ga_fms
    NPV land (agricultural) owners are on right side of law, if they have the registered title deeds.

    The land use (construction) is unauthorised - Maybe HUDA is in process of regularizing this?The max authorities can do is demolish the construction (maybe,after a long legal battle).But this will not help complete operationalization of DEway.

    DEway Builder project's investors are not even parties to dispute, therefore being on left or right side of law do not arise.



    Maybe HUDA will regularise... Who knows? Till the time that doesnt happen, a law is breached, so illegal

    BTW, not sure why application process was put in motion, if they wanted to regularise. Care to comment?
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  • Dil ko behlane ke liye khayal acha hai Galib.

    I wish it (what you wrote) was true. :(

    Originally Posted by Vb2309
    One thing is true, it has been two years since I have observed and NCR litigation has not yet been solved !!

    Yes NCR has been built 70 per cent .
    Yes sector roads SEVENTY METRES. are being build.

    I am not much worried about NCR now as it provides arterial connectivity to sector roads.

    DEW are will be habitable in next one year .
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  • What VB, wrote is true,i don't see any think wrong,sec roads works going on,NPR has progress till 14 km, it's on record.
    Khayal karoge tabi kaam hoga Galib.
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  • Originally Posted by ashu_sharmaa
    Its easy to preach and practice as well. Thats why there are so many people who end up sticking to legal choices.

    90% people in Gurgaon would have paid money in cash and got their flats registered at lower value. So may be 10% have choice. Where do the rest of 90% go?

    All you are saying is that - People take to illegal choices because of greed, so it is justified. Going by that rationale, everything illegal is justified


    I am saying not everyone has a choice. If someone left their village because there wasn't enough and came to cities, where do you think they would live? Where does your maid live? Have you provided servant quarters for her and her family while she is saving to buy legal place of her own?

    Try finding out how much homes DDA has build in last 50 years against the need. Where are the rest of people supposed to go?

    And I can tell you no one who has money wants to live in slums or unauthorized. People do so because they are priced out from legal.
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  • Dear members do you remember a certain Captain Yadav who, not until a long ago, positioned himself as a beacon of hope?!
    What became of him? he has disappeared in-toto. So much for the self propagating and pompous motormouths...

    Seamless
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  • Agreed but only removal of toll booth might not be sufficient.... Even after toll booth removal the NH8 portion inside Gurgaon will reach saturation in 2-3 years time.

    And removal of toll booth has many dimensions:
    1. If Toll Booth is removed forcefully by the Govt. (In Public Interest) then who will maintain the expressway roads? Trust me Govt. wont be able to do it properly and the smooth roads that we all have started taking for granted on this expressway will become a thing of past...
    2. Currently due to toll slow moving vehicles (horse/bullock carts, cycles etc) are not permitted on the expressway roads.
    3. Forceful removing the toll will also have impact on future of other PPP infra projects as Private players might not bid for work due to the fear of their projects being forefully taken away from them
    4. First of all its difficult to determine appropriate compensation, secondly even difficult to get the toll operator to agree to that. In case NHAI compensates then later other states might also put political pressure on the central govt. to get tolls removed by making NHAI pay the compensation. In case Haryana Govt picks the tab then again it will set a wrong precedent, as some private players might collude with State govts. and get handsome and inappropriate compensation to exit their flopped infra projects thus looting the taxpayers money in one big blow.

    Originally Posted by ga_fms
    Valid concern ! But The correct solution to the stated problem is to get this toll-booth removed.

    Than there will be no neeed for Valid owners of NPV to be uprooted.:)
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