I have attached of PAN Oasis. Will also upload for Mahagun Mordene Sec 78 buyer agreement (After deleting my personnel info).
This will enrich this thread and chance to compare which builder is more honest atleast on agreement.

Request other to atleast upload buyer agreement of

3C builder
Jaypee Group
Prateek
Antrikh
Gardenia
Gaur
Amrapali Group

It will help new buyer to read and understand more about legal side of project apart from glossy brochure.
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  • Originally Posted by chandra2034
    I have attached of PAN Oasis. Will also upload for Mahagun Mordene Sec 78 buyer agreement (After deleting my personnel info).
    This will enrich this thread and chance to compare which builder is more honest atleast on agreement.

    Request other to atleast upload buyer agreement of

    3C builder
    Jaypee Group
    Prateek
    Antrikh
    Gardenia
    Gaur
    Amrapali Group

    It will help new buyer to read and understand more about legal side of project apart from glossy brochure.


    Thanks Chandra.........

    During my net search I saw a Special Terms Agreement signed by Gardenia for HCL guys for its Glory project. This is available in their Group site at http://gardeniasector46.wordpress.com/2010/05/08/hcl-special-terms-signed/

    The Special Terms agreed are a part of BBA which unfortunately is not available with me. Some of the conditions agreed by Gardenia are interesting.
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  • This is really a nice thread. People generally quote that all the builders do similar things in the BBA but it isn't true.

    Builders play the game and give different BBA agrement to different people.
    I will surely update mine when I receive one.
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  • Hi...

    Can we have more such agreements for other projects? Logix, 3C in particular.

    Those already signed BBA may pls. post them here for the benefits of new buyers.

    Thanks....
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  • Came across one interesting article on the subject. Reproduced below;

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    Flat buyers, beware!

    Col Pawan S Yadav

    Mon, May 18, 2009 09:53:01 IST


    THERE ARE a host of real estate developers promising starry flats to investors in NCR (the National Capital Region). These developers invariably collect approximately 35 per cent of the cost of the flat from you within the first six months of booking. The construc-tion schedule committed to is invariably in excess of three years. They commence con-struction generally after a year and earn interest on the instalments collected from the buyers, until then. When asked for an explanation, the developers will invariably pass the buck by attributing it to the delay in receiving government approvals.

    Before construction is set to commence, the developers protect themselves from all expo-sures by forcing the buyers to sign a “buyer’s agreement” which is unilateral and biased in nature and content. Buyers are given no exit option – either they sign the agreement or pay the penalty for not signing it. The penalty entails cancellation of the flat and forfei-ture of the Earnest Money Deposit (EMD). The EMD accounts for 10 per cent of the cost of the flat already paid. The agreement is couched in such a language that the buyer can never dream of raising any representation / objection to any act of commission and omission on the part of the developers. Since it is a lengthy document, everybody signs without reading it but actually it could shock the buyer into disbelief when he / she actu-ally reads and understands it.

    a) While booking, the developers declare in the brochure that the flat will be handed over to the buyer within 36 months from the date of booking. But the agreement on the other hand, says it is 36 months from the date of signing the agreement.
    b) The agreement lays down in the definitions that the ‘super area’ of the flat is sub-ject to change. It is understandable that post construction, the actual super area may change slightly but how can a definition change? After all, definition is about things definite and not indefinite!
    c) All payment clauses mentioned are one-sided; whenever there is a price escalation, the buyer has to pay the escalation on demand but the developers will adjust the fall in prices, if any, at the end of the project.
    d) The developers take it in writing from the buyer that the buyer surrenders all rights to challenge/represent against the developer in a court of law and the developers have the sole discretion to stipulate payment conditions, change specifications, etc, in a manner deemed fit by them.
    e) Post construction, buyers sign a ‘maintenance agreement’, without any represen-tation from their side. However many developers do not disclose its content while the buyer signs it. How can a buyer be forced to commit to sign a document whose content will be disclosed after, say, two years?
    f) Developers undertake that provision of a three-tier security system is their respon-sibility but in the agreement they seek indemnity from theft.
    g) Buyer’s agreement expects buyers to pay electricity charges for back-up (genera-tor) services, ‘as decided from time to time’. But the agreement is silent on who will de-cide these charges. Rightfully, it should be decided by a committee on which the buyers are represented.
    h) Buyers are bound to pay administrative charges from time to time. But the agree-ment is silent about the actual amount payable for the purpose; nor does it say who will quantify this amount.
    i) The agreement expects buyers to pay electricity charges which are at variance with what is charged by the Electricity Board concerned. How can developers charge more for a service that is delivered by the government?
    j) Developers protect themselves by mentioning in the agreement that power back-up facilities are an ‘additional feature’ and buyers will indemnify the developers from all damages accruing from faults in the supply of power from the said back-up facilities. But while launching the project, the developers state that the said facility is a part and parcel of the offer. Also developers charge the buyers up-front for this facility.
    k) If the buyer mortgages the flat for finance, the developer is indemnified; on the other hand, if the developer mortgages the entire project, all buyers are a party to it.
    l) In case of insolvency of the developer, the entire project will be sold off to clear all the dues of the developers first and the balance of the sale proceeds, if any, will be shared by the buyers. This means that the buyers bear the risk arising from the insolvency of the developers and the insolvency of the developers. Further, the agreement does not say when the buyer will get the money back in such a situation.
    m) Developers notify the changes in specifications to the buyers. If buyers do not ob-ject to the specifications within 15 days, it will be deemed as accepted. If they do, the allotment will be cancelled. This means that they do not have a right to represent against their grievance.
    n) The agreement mentions that while taking over the flat, the buyer relinquishes all rights to challenge any deviation in quality / specifications promised by the developers while booking the flat.
    o) Developers have unlimited rights to erect additional towers/buildings, etc, within the same area. This grossly violates the layout furnished by the developers in the brochure during the launch of the project.
    p) Developers always seek ‘IBMS’ or ‘Interest Bearing Maintenance Security’. Buy-ers are expected to deposit the money, post construction. But it is conveniently silent on the rate of interest payable to the flat buyers.
    q) Developers indemnify themselves from any damage arising from non-adherence to any clause/condition/covenant of the agreement. Then what is the sanctity of this agreement? On the other hand, the buyer is expected to abide by it religiously.
    r) Any expenses arising from the upward revision of the specifications is chargeable to the buyer but the agreement is silent on the reimbursement to buyers, in case of any downward revision.
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  • Very nice....

    and and Eye opener....jaago graahak jaago.


    Originally Posted by RoyalMax
    Came across one interesting article on the subject. Reproduced below;

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    Flat buyers, beware!

    Col Pawan S Yadav

    Mon, May 18, 2009 09:53:01 IST


    THERE ARE a host of real estate developers promising starry flats to investors in NCR (the National Capital Region). These developers invariably collect approximately 35 per cent of the cost of the flat from you within the first six months of booking. The construc-tion schedule committed to is invariably in excess of three years. They commence con-struction generally after a year and earn interest on the instalments collected from the buyers, until then. When asked for an explanation, the developers will invariably pass the buck by attributing it to the delay in receiving government approvals.

    Before construction is set to commence, the developers protect themselves from all expo-sures by forcing the buyers to sign a “buyer’s agreement” which is unilateral and biased in nature and content. Buyers are given no exit option – either they sign the agreement or pay the penalty for not signing it. The penalty entails cancellation of the flat and forfei-ture of the Earnest Money Deposit (EMD). The EMD accounts for 10 per cent of the cost of the flat already paid. The agreement is couched in such a language that the buyer can never dream of raising any representation / objection to any act of commission and omission on the part of the developers. Since it is a lengthy document, everybody signs without reading it but actually it could shock the buyer into disbelief when he / she actu-ally reads and understands it.

    a) While booking, the developers declare in the brochure that the flat will be handed over to the buyer within 36 months from the date of booking. But the agreement on the other hand, says it is 36 months from the date of signing the agreement.
    b) The agreement lays down in the definitions that the ‘super area’ of the flat is sub-ject to change. It is understandable that post construction, the actual super area may change slightly but how can a definition change? After all, definition is about things definite and not indefinite!
    c) All payment clauses mentioned are one-sided; whenever there is a price escalation, the buyer has to pay the escalation on demand but the developers will adjust the fall in prices, if any, at the end of the project.
    d) The developers take it in writing from the buyer that the buyer surrenders all rights to challenge/represent against the developer in a court of law and the developers have the sole discretion to stipulate payment conditions, change specifications, etc, in a manner deemed fit by them.
    e) Post construction, buyers sign a ‘maintenance agreement’, without any represen-tation from their side. However many developers do not disclose its content while the buyer signs it. How can a buyer be forced to commit to sign a document whose content will be disclosed after, say, two years?
    f) Developers undertake that provision of a three-tier security system is their respon-sibility but in the agreement they seek indemnity from theft.
    g) Buyer’s agreement expects buyers to pay electricity charges for back-up (genera-tor) services, ‘as decided from time to time’. But the agreement is silent on who will de-cide these charges. Rightfully, it should be decided by a committee on which the buyers are represented.
    h) Buyers are bound to pay administrative charges from time to time. But the agree-ment is silent about the actual amount payable for the purpose; nor does it say who will quantify this amount.
    i) The agreement expects buyers to pay electricity charges which are at variance with what is charged by the Electricity Board concerned. How can developers charge more for a service that is delivered by the government?
    j) Developers protect themselves by mentioning in the agreement that power back-up facilities are an ‘additional feature’ and buyers will indemnify the developers from all damages accruing from faults in the supply of power from the said back-up facilities. But while launching the project, the developers state that the said facility is a part and parcel of the offer. Also developers charge the buyers up-front for this facility.
    k) If the buyer mortgages the flat for finance, the developer is indemnified; on the other hand, if the developer mortgages the entire project, all buyers are a party to it.
    l) In case of insolvency of the developer, the entire project will be sold off to clear all the dues of the developers first and the balance of the sale proceeds, if any, will be shared by the buyers. This means that the buyers bear the risk arising from the insolvency of the developers and the insolvency of the developers. Further, the agreement does not say when the buyer will get the money back in such a situation.
    m) Developers notify the changes in specifications to the buyers. If buyers do not ob-ject to the specifications within 15 days, it will be deemed as accepted. If they do, the allotment will be cancelled. This means that they do not have a right to represent against their grievance.
    n) The agreement mentions that while taking over the flat, the buyer relinquishes all rights to challenge any deviation in quality / specifications promised by the developers while booking the flat.
    o) Developers have unlimited rights to erect additional towers/buildings, etc, within the same area. This grossly violates the layout furnished by the developers in the brochure during the launch of the project.
    p) Developers always seek ‘IBMS’ or ‘Interest Bearing Maintenance Security’. Buy-ers are expected to deposit the money, post construction. But it is conveniently silent on the rate of interest payable to the flat buyers.
    q) Developers indemnify themselves from any damage arising from non-adherence to any clause/condition/covenant of the agreement. Then what is the sanctity of this agreement? On the other hand, the buyer is expected to abide by it religiously.
    r) Any expenses arising from the upward revision of the specifications is chargeable to the buyer but the agreement is silent on the reimbursement to buyers, in case of any downward revision.
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  • This is what makes reputation

    Yes, The points mantioned are indeed true. Just one glitch. Today's projects all have IFMS (interest free maintenance security) and not IBMS.

    The BBA gives rights to the builder to do all notorious things. but builders who actually do that loose their reputation and the ones who don't become reputed.

    One more thing - when consumers go to court in mass, such agreements are shattered. Nothing is above law and when court says that this part of the BBA is illegal, it is dead, even if it is signed by the consumer. The only thing is, that the consumers dont want to go to court for minor things. But if something is major, they do.
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  • anybody else can share agreement of other builders?
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  • Sample buyer agreement of mahagun mordene sec 78

    File size is arround 4 mb. I kept it in Mahagun Mordene buyer group.

    http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/MahagunModerneNoida/files/

    OR
    http://www.4shared.com/file/pK3GLWie/Mahagun_Mordene_Sec_78.html

    Feel free to download it .
    People from other project should also scan and post. it take only 15 min.

    Idea is to find out which builder write more info on BBA.
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  • Originally Posted by chandra2034
    Surprising that no one even ready to share copy of buyer agreement.
    If someone start poll "Which BUILDER IS BEST?": 3C buyers make sure they come first...within 2 hours 50 people will vote.
    Logix guys make sure atleast they come second.

    When time to LP bhazan/song you will fill 200 page on forum but not ready for 10 min effort to more open policy ??

    But when time to share buyer agreement that what they are writing not a single buyer ready to share it in public ?

    Atleast upload buyer agreement of 3C, LOGIX, SuperTech, Ajnara,Gaur,Prateek.

    Idea is to just compare who write what in agreement.


    Absolutely right friend...hypocracy at its heightts........barrring a handful, most are interested just in rates and disounts.
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  • Royal ... chandra
    People need easy access to scanner and other logistic issues ...
    Removing there details from the BBA etc , since its gng in public domain ,,,
    When I started a thread about the number of floors in there project , response was poor , as very few were willing to share ...
    But i can't help it ...
    Its the same case with u

    Originally Posted by RoyalMax
    Absolutely right friend...hypocracy at its heightts........barrring a handful, most are interested just in rates and disounts.
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  • Originally Posted by RoyalMax
    Came across one interesting article on the subject. Reproduced below;

    =======
    Flat buyers, beware!

    Col Pawan S Yadav

    Mon, May 18, 2009 09:53:01 IST


    THERE ARE a host of real estate developers promising starry flats to investors in NCR (the National Capital Region). These developers invariably collect approximately 35 per cent of the cost of the flat from you within the first six months of booking. The construc-tion schedule committed to is invariably in excess of three years. They commence con-struction generally after a year and earn interest on the instalments collected from the buyers, until then. When asked for an explanation, the developers will invariably pass the buck by attributing it to the delay in receiving government approvals.

    Before construction is set to commence, the developers protect themselves from all expo-sures by forcing the buyers to sign a “buyer’s agreement” which is unilateral and biased in nature and content. Buyers are given no exit option – either they sign the agreement or pay the penalty for not signing it. The penalty entails cancellation of the flat and forfei-ture of the Earnest Money Deposit (EMD). The EMD accounts for 10 per cent of the cost of the flat already paid. The agreement is couched in such a language that the buyer can never dream of raising any representation / objection to any act of commission and omission on the part of the developers. Since it is a lengthy document, everybody signs without reading it but actually it could shock the buyer into disbelief when he / she actu-ally reads and understands it.

    a) While booking, the developers declare in the brochure that the flat will be handed over to the buyer within 36 months from the date of booking. But the agreement on the other hand, says it is 36 months from the date of signing the agreement.
    b) The agreement lays down in the definitions that the ‘super area’ of the flat is sub-ject to change. It is understandable that post construction, the actual super area may change slightly but how can a definition change? After all, definition is about things definite and not indefinite!
    c) All payment clauses mentioned are one-sided; whenever there is a price escalation, the buyer has to pay the escalation on demand but the developers will adjust the fall in prices, if any, at the end of the project.
    d) The developers take it in writing from the buyer that the buyer surrenders all rights to challenge/represent against the developer in a court of law and the developers have the sole discretion to stipulate payment conditions, change specifications, etc, in a manner deemed fit by them.
    e) Post construction, buyers sign a ‘maintenance agreement’, without any represen-tation from their side. However many developers do not disclose its content while the buyer signs it. How can a buyer be forced to commit to sign a document whose content will be disclosed after, say, two years?
    f) Developers undertake that provision of a three-tier security system is their respon-sibility but in the agreement they seek indemnity from theft.
    g) Buyer’s agreement expects buyers to pay electricity charges for back-up (genera-tor) services, ‘as decided from time to time’. But the agreement is silent on who will de-cide these charges. Rightfully, it should be decided by a committee on which the buyers are represented.
    h) Buyers are bound to pay administrative charges from time to time. But the agree-ment is silent about the actual amount payable for the purpose; nor does it say who will quantify this amount.
    i) The agreement expects buyers to pay electricity charges which are at variance with what is charged by the Electricity Board concerned. How can developers charge more for a service that is delivered by the government?
    j) Developers protect themselves by mentioning in the agreement that power back-up facilities are an ‘additional feature’ and buyers will indemnify the developers from all damages accruing from faults in the supply of power from the said back-up facilities. But while launching the project, the developers state that the said facility is a part and parcel of the offer. Also developers charge the buyers up-front for this facility.
    k) If the buyer mortgages the flat for finance, the developer is indemnified; on the other hand, if the developer mortgages the entire project, all buyers are a party to it.
    l) In case of insolvency of the developer, the entire project will be sold off to clear all the dues of the developers first and the balance of the sale proceeds, if any, will be shared by the buyers. This means that the buyers bear the risk arising from the insolvency of the developers and the insolvency of the developers. Further, the agreement does not say when the buyer will get the money back in such a situation.
    m) Developers notify the changes in specifications to the buyers. If buyers do not ob-ject to the specifications within 15 days, it will be deemed as accepted. If they do, the allotment will be cancelled. This means that they do not have a right to represent against their grievance.
    n) The agreement mentions that while taking over the flat, the buyer relinquishes all rights to challenge any deviation in quality / specifications promised by the developers while booking the flat.
    o) Developers have unlimited rights to erect additional towers/buildings, etc, within the same area. This grossly violates the layout furnished by the developers in the brochure during the launch of the project.
    p) Developers always seek ‘IBMS’ or ‘Interest Bearing Maintenance Security’. Buy-ers are expected to deposit the money, post construction. But it is conveniently silent on the rate of interest payable to the flat buyers.
    q) Developers indemnify themselves from any damage arising from non-adherence to any clause/condition/covenant of the agreement. Then what is the sanctity of this agreement? On the other hand, the buyer is expected to abide by it religiously.
    r) Any expenses arising from the upward revision of the specifications is chargeable to the buyer but the agreement is silent on the reimbursement to buyers, in case of any downward revision.
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    One of the best posts, i have read in this forum.

    Well done.

    Keep the inputs coming

    Again, great informative piece of work.
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  • 3c BBA

    I would like to post lotus panache agreement but it is hard copy. Its difficult to convert it to soft copy.
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  • Everybody's BBA is hard copy only. You NEED TO SCAN it and post.
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  • Originally Posted by nibha
    Royal ... chandra
    People need easy access to scanner and other logistic issues ...
    Removing there details from the BBA etc , since its gng in public domain ,,,
    When I started a thread about the number of floors in there project , response was poor , as very few were willing to share ...
    But i can't help it ...
    Its the same case with u


    Yes sir - same here.. my LP BBA is also in hard copy & I need to sanitize it and scan it to upload. That's pretty big task for a short staffed person like me. But I am telling you - the clauses suck and language is completely 3C favourable. There is 8% possible variation in Super Area & no mention of carpet area (although floor plan is a part of agreement). Overall, as a customer I am extremely dissatisfied with the agreement format. So, no bhajans or LP praises from me on this front. Please dont malign me. :D
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  • Since people have expressed difficulties in posting full BBA here, those who have already signed BBA may provide information for the following.


    Name of the Project/ Sector:
    Date of signing BBA :


    1. If carpet area of booked apartment mentioned in numbers?
    2. What is the permitted variation (+ or -) in BBA? If it is linked with super area (SBA) or Carpet area? How is variation cost beyond agreed % dealt with?
    3. If the details of facilities, amenities to be provided by the builder within the project are mentioned/attached to BBA?
    4. If the BBA has any mention of total project land area and number of apartments to be constructed within the project?
    5. If the Noida authority approval letter No:/date: quoted anywhere in BBA?
    6. If land ownership details/ lease agreement number quoted anywhere in BBA?
    7. If the BBA says the provisions of U. P. Apartment Act 2010 will be applicable
    8. Any mention of number of towers/ floors / apartments and number of lifts in the BBA?
    9. Has the builder provided you a copy of approved plan by N. Authority?

    Any one can modify/ correct if so like...This may be better than asking BBA.

    Experts may comment please...
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