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Do you know the TOTAL NUMBER of Car Parking Bays in Your Project??

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  • Do you know the TOTAL NUMBER of Car Parking Bays in Your Project??

    I started a thread about number of Lifts..and i am happy that people are atleast questioning the builders and gathering info before...rather than getting all shocked and surprised later

    Another important factor which is not to be missed is the TOTAL NUMBER OF CAR PARKING BAYS your project will have.

    Builder is fully aware..but whether they share with you or not is their call...but its impossible that they dont have an idea...as its clearly marked and numbered in Blue prints.

    The number of cars parking bays projects in past in the region were approx 2-3 car parks per flats...
    These projects had density of 25-50 flats per acre.

    Most of you have bought OPEN car parks due to cost factor...but its impossible that with 100 flats in a building ...all parkings will be Next to the Building.

    Even basement parkings can be far away.

    In my opinion that there should be ATLEAST 2 car parks for each flat...This is bare minimum.

    As with projects developing in phases....visitors will keep on comin in project to have a look of their UC flats.

    Tenants are biggest nuisnace..spl corporates..as most of them have Company cabs picking and dropping them..and they cant have stickers...(this is a known nuisance for many RWAs).

    And to manage Thousands of flats..RWAs will have a tough time...

    Visitors being mostly indisciplined always try to enter complexes and park around.Untill unless ENTIRE Project is complete...this cant be controlled.

    You can always enter any project where phase development is taking place...by saying that you are visiting site office, or your UC flat !!!!

    Lastly.....You cannot stop people from buying more cars and to force them to buy new car parking space....(this is also big issue faced by many RWAs).....This too cant be controlled till the project is complete.

    In anycase....Its very important...that Builder has enough car parking bays....else it could be a big issue.

    Ask you Builder and post the info here...so people know...are aware.....

    All the Best
  • #2

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    Re : Do you know the TOTAL NUMBER of Car Parking Bays in Your Project??

    .......

    I think, One of the issues that always arises in purchase of an apartment is the allotment of car park for the buyers.

    While approving a plan for construction, the authorities sanctioning the approvals may sanction certain areas specifically as car park. This may be approved as an open car park or a covered car park.

    The consideration for providing the sanctions on the part of the authorities may also vary depending on whether the building is residential or commercial in nature. The typical use of the building may also be taken into consideration. you may not be surprised to find that the two wheeler parking is not the subject of any of the documents but car park is a different matter as one is required to pay for the same.

    Actually If the project does not have lot of amenities, the loading factor should be small. In most cases loading factor of 1.3 is more than sufficient. Loading factor includes parking space (irrespective of it is covered, open, stilt, sold separately or not)

    As far parking allotment, Builders allot the car parks accordingly the Number of flats and size of Units.

    -In Residential 1 bhk and 2 bhk - 1 car park and above 2 bhk - 2 parks are mandatory and rest all it would be depend upon builder to builder if buyer wants extra car parks but in many cases builders, they avoid to allot after 1-2 car parks because of Land Sanctioned Area for Group Housing or Commercial, where as Many builders still offering on 1st come 1st serve basis.

    -In Commercial 500 or 1000 Sq. Ft. per park or depend upon condition and scheme offer by builders

    ......

    Now here comes the "MAJOR ISSUE" which still unanswerable by many builders

    " Builders can not sell stilt / Open car parking areas " by Honorable Supreme Court.

    Recently many changes come in Law and Loading ratio for Car Parks but We all know Builders always play with buyers Money and do not show all exact conditions :::: ::::

    *Many builders, they are still cheating by including Car Park Rates in BSP (Like BSP - 2500 / Sq. Ft. plus Car Park - 250 / Sq. Ft = 2750 / Sq. Ft) which becomes your total BSP and service tax plus stamp duty charges becomes extra increased for buyers tactile by builder is good to confuse Law Orders but very safe transaction for any builder.

    *Many builders specially in Noida/GN, selling Open car parks which is against the rule now.

    *Many builders, adjusting the car parking money in Cash at the time of BBA, so BBA says "One Car Parking is include with Unit" but actually buyer has paid in black.

    *Many builders, they are cheating for open car parking by saying "It is Cover parking" and buyers stuck in mess up at the time possession.

    Reality is that, as end users when we put our hard money, we do not want to mess up with builders and adjust the situation accordingly.

    .....

    While the judgment comes logical from the stand point that all flat owners have right over the common areas and builder can not sale Common or Open Area. A few issues still keep us on confusion and it has been left in the dark.

    1. What happens to parking lots (stilt or open) which has been sold by builders hitherto?

    2. While the builder is safely out of the mess by charging the flat owners for the open space (anyways he will use it for his financial benefit), a reasonable solution for parking requirement which is getting more and more serious has not been answered. It would have been great if the apex court also come out with a ruling that all builders must provide adequate parking (with a minimum of 1 per flat and additional for visitors).

    3. Now the societies will take charges and the bullies / influential guys will encroach the parking areas with the poor next door guys having no say inspite of having paid equally for the common area.

    Many other related issues that will arise in future as Builders already gripped by New Law Orders and with his dominating One sided Agreements

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    • #3

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      Re : Do you know the TOTAL NUMBER of Car Parking Bays in Your Project??

      I feel like over the car parking matters, Buyers look so relax No post yet...

      None of the person asked to his/her builder what AA said ? and later .... I raised few facts which are still UNSOLVED MYSTERIES about Open C.P or you can say another existing BUILDER TACTILE to earn extra profile

      Later it shall effects to buyer those who are taking such issues so lightly.
      Last edited September 7 2011, 01:14 PM.
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        Re : Do you know the TOTAL NUMBER of Car Parking Bays in Your Project??

        AA, Stud,

        Parking space is probably the serious problem. I had experienced that in many places. In some places a parking place is sold at 4-5L with very limited availability.

        But, I know from my experience, the builder also has no clue. Building parking lot is not a standard process, there is no guideline on how big/small a parking space should be. What kind of approach should be.

        Allocating parking lot is a very adhoc process and it all depends on your connection, how vocal you are. Sometime, a lot will be created out of the blue.

        The problem does not ends here.... we are just talking about car parks. What about 2 wheelers parking?

        This is a very messy thing and you just deal with them as it comes. No need to worry too much now as you will not be able to do much.

        The practical solution is, once you move in, make a strong group of 3/4-5/6, get your parking space together and defend your own turf. This work wonderfully if you have adjusting members.

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          Re : Do you know the TOTAL NUMBER of Car Parking Bays in Your Project??

          Originally posted by ondabhai View Post
          AA, Stud,

          Parking space is probably the serious problem. I had experienced that in many places. In some places a parking place is sold at 4-5L with very limited availability.

          But, I know from my experience, the builder also has no clue. Building parking lot is not a standard process, there is no guideline on how big/small a parking space should be. What kind of approach should be.

          Allocating parking lot is a very adhoc process and it all depends on your connection, how vocal you are. Sometime, a lot will be created out of the blue.

          The problem does not ends here.... we are just talking about car parks. What about 2 wheelers parking?

          This is a very messy thing and you just deal with them as it comes. No need to worry too much now as you will not be able to do much.

          The practical solution is, once you move in, make a strong group of 3/4-5/6, get your parking space together and defend your own turf. This work wonderfully if you have adjusting members.
          ondabhai....just to inform you for your knowledge that Noida Authority Building regulations-2006 has definite standards and stipulations for parking facilities in residential complexes.

          Just to quote from the Regulations:

          When parking space for cars is to be provided, it shall not be less than 20 square metres in open area and under stilts & basement - 30 square metre per vehicle and for scooters and cycles, the parking spaces provided shall not be less than 3 square metre and 1.40 square metre respectively.

          A separate parking plan shall be submitted for approval along with building plans indicating clearly the parking spaces for all types of vehicles calculated on the basis of maximum permissible covered area/FAR and the
          circulation area.

          Parking Requirements : One parking space for every 100 square metre carpet area.

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            Re : Do you know the TOTAL NUMBER of Car Parking Bays in Your Project??

            Originally posted by ondabhai View Post
            AA, Stud,

            Parking space is probably the serious problem. I had experienced that in many places. In some places a parking place is sold at 4-5L with very limited availability.

            But, I know from my experience, the builder also has no clue. Building parking lot is not a standard process, there is no guideline on how big/small a parking space should be. What kind of approach should be.

            Allocating parking lot is a very adhoc process and it all depends on your connection, how vocal you are. Sometime, a lot will be created out of the blue.

            The problem does not ends here.... we are just talking about car parks. What about 2 wheelers parking?

            This is a very messy thing and you just deal with them as it comes. No need to worry too much now as you will not be able to do much.

            The practical solution is, once you move in, make a strong group of 3/4-5/6, get your parking space together and defend your own turf. This work wonderfully if you have adjusting members.
            It is always messy and Builders make more mess up, once such new policies adopted by Builder as follow by experienced:

            Many Builders, Increase the rate on Car Parking after allotting existing Car Parks or selling enough car parks.

            There is a big problem with Buyers when Builders do not get adjoining 2 car parks, and builders make them to settle by slotting on some other spot by builder choices.

            You are right Gbhai, There is no existing rules and documents for 2 wheelers allotment from Builder or Authority side.

            Do you know that, by new rules "Builders actually can not sale the Car Parking but only can facilitate" but beacuse of less information regarding Car Parking matters, builders are charging Car Parking freely and smartly which i shared in my previous post. Once buyer signs the agreement, Buyer is not liable to claim for such charges and Builder always come in Win Win Situation.

            Out of 100 % of slotting Car parks, 25 % Car Parks are actually for Visitors. where as many builders they do not follow such rules and Sold more than 75 % in any project. Builder knows very well, buyers actually need car park and he mention to purchase the Car Parks.

            AA is right when he said, many builders know the reality but he should also understand in whole hierarchy with builder management himself, following factors are still mystery between Marketing people itself as Top management people do not allow to introduce the fact with own employees as scare if they reveal to buyers(By Chance). Result comes what we hear from Marketing guys, we have to follow those rules. Only few can approach the person who is actually sitting in cabin and knows all related facts.
            Last edited September 7 2011, 03:13 PM.
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              Re : Do you know the TOTAL NUMBER of Car Parking Bays in Your Project??

              Originally posted by SMJ2011;234280
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              When parking space for cars is to be provided, it shall not be less than 20 square metres in open area and under stilts & basement - 30 square metre per vehicle and for scooters and cycles, the parking spaces provided shall not be less than 3 square metre and 1.40 square metre respectively.

              A separate parking plan shall be submitted for approval along with building plans indicating clearly the parking spaces for all types of vehicles calculated on the basis of maximum permissible covered area/FAR and the
              circulation area.

              Parking Requirements : One parking space for every 100 square metre carpet area.
              [/I]
              This calculation is right, But builder can only facilitate but subject not to charge anything.
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                Re : Do you know the TOTAL NUMBER of Car Parking Bays in Your Project??

                Originally posted by SMJ2011 View Post
                ondabhai....just to inform you for your knowledge that Noida Authority Building regulations-2006 has definite standards and stipulations for parking facilities in residential complexes.

                Just to quote from the Regulations:

                When parking space for cars is to be provided, it shall not be less than 20 square metres in open area and under stilts & basement - 30 square metre per vehicle and for scooters and cycles, the parking spaces provided shall not be less than 3 square metre and 1.40 square metre respectively.

                A separate parking plan shall be submitted for approval along with building plans indicating clearly the parking spaces for all types of vehicles calculated on the basis of maximum permissible covered area/FAR and the
                circulation area.

                Parking Requirements : One parking space for every 100 square metre carpet area.
                Thank you very much. Honestly I had no idea that we have such a guideline. But again, like most of the rules in India, everything is vague.

                1X20, 2X10, 3.66X6, 4X5 ... all are 20sqm. What is included in this 20sqm? clearance included? what about pillars and space behind the pillars? what about approach road and exit road, how wide that should be? is that roads also part of 20sqm?

                None of the above question can be interpreted from the LAW..... so you understand what kind of water it will hold in a court.

                The point is, we have so many this kinds of rules that many people don't know and no one follows.

                The sole purpose of these kinds of loosely crafted laws are fuel corruption. Everything is left to the interpretation of the certifying/approving officer .... and he knows only one thing. Builder also know only one thing ... so who suffers?

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                  Re : Do you know the TOTAL NUMBER of Car Parking Bays in Your Project??

                  Originally posted by StudRawk View Post
                  It is always messy and Builders make more mess up, once such new policies adopted by Builder as follow by experienced:

                  Many Builders, Increase the rate on Car Parking after allotting existing Car Parks or selling enough car parks.

                  There is a big problem with Buyers when Builders do not get adjoining 2 car parks, and builders make them to settle by slotting on some other spot by builder choices.

                  You are right Gbhai, There is no existing rules and documents for 2 wheelers allotment from Builder or Authority side.

                  Do you know that, by new rules "Builders actually can not sale the Car Parking but only can facilitate" but beacuse of less information regarding Car Parking matters, builders are charging Car Parking freely and smartly which i shared in my previous post. Once buyer signs the agreement, Buyer is not liable to claim for such charges and Builder always come in Win Win Situation.

                  Out of 100 % of slotting Car parks, 25 % Car Parks are actually for Visitors. where as many builders they do not follow such rules and Sold more than 75 % in any project. Builder knows very well, buyers actually need car park and he mention to purchase the Car Parks.

                  AA is right when he said, many builders know the reality but he should also understand in whole hierarchy with builder management himself, following factors are still mystery between Marketing people itself as Top management people do not allow to introduce the fact with own employees as scare if they reveal to buyers(By Chance). Result comes what we hear from Marketing guys, we have to follow those rules. Only few can approach the person who is actually sitting in cabin and knows all related facts.
                  Actually, the housing society is just a mini India ... everything runs on corruption. Few days back AA/Zohaib already mentioned that.
                  RWA/Committe is like our politicians, The manager and so many parasites living inside your estate are bhailog and we are just aam aadmi.

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                    Re : Do you know the TOTAL NUMBER of Car Parking Bays in Your Project??

                    ondabhai...............I have qioted only selective portions. Regulations has lot more...may be ansers to your questions also...pls read them in your free time. It is interesting read for everyone interested in RE.

                    Rules are there for almost everything. It is only that we are not aware of them and they are not being implemented by those who are supposed to............

                    Just for your info I have seen 2-3 approved parking plans of different builders. In most cases, the number of parking provision is about 105-110% of the number of flats.

                    Buyers never ask and builder do not show....

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