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  • Re : Jaypee Greens Wishtown, Noida

    Originally posted by dineshsays View Post
    Yes - I will have to. Unfortunately buggers took 48 months in case of KB. No way they are going to match that.

    But as far as I understand to put in a case in consumer court they hv to first not deliver in that time.

    Ill soon weigh my options and get clarity.

    Only thing is now I hv to pay once on 16th floor and about 40% after they offer possession. So its completely CLP from hereon

    But I hv paid quite a bit already as far as the TLP part of the CLP/TLP hybrid plan I took up.

    As far as case is concerned, I BELIEVE as long as the promised date is beyond the PAL DATE it qualifies for a NCDRC.

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    • Re : Jaypee Greens Wishtown, Noida

      So in effect an email from Jaypee confirming date to be beyond what is promised in PAL is enough?

      On the subject Aviral - I had heard - if you hv more than one house in same complex (In this case I hv 2 - Kalypso/KB) - if I complaint then consumer court would declare me an investor not a consumer and not entertain my case - any truth in that?

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      • Re : Jaypee Greens Wishtown, Noida

        Investor money also need security

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        • Re : Jaypee Greens Wishtown, Noida

          True but this is 'consumer' court.

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          • Re : Jaypee Greens Wishtown, Noida

            Originally posted by dineshsays View Post
            Good one Aviral.

            Poddarbhai - I bought (If I remember correctly) - in April 2010. In the PAL they said 3 years + 6 months. Which would make it November 2013. Now we are in May 2015. So delay is about 18 months as per PAL.

            Of course people started booking in 2008 so add delay accordingly.

            Actually Kalypso/Imperial hv been the worst in JP in terms of delay. PC/PH hv been better so have plots, Kosmos/Klassic etc
            18 months or even 24 to 30 months is not too bad. Orchards was my 6th under construction investment. None have been handed over without a delay of at least 24 months. I have invested in lodha 2 projects, couple of small builders in bby , aman and then OC. Same story everywhere.

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            • Re : Jaypee Greens Wishtown, Noida

              NOIDA: It took a long legal battle, one of the most discussed in recent times, to secure the perimeters of the Okhla Bird Sanctuary. But now that the government has agreed to ringfence the park with a no-construction zone, is its fragile ecology now adequately protected?

              Going strictly by the wisdom of the draft eco-sensitive zone - a 100-metre radius on the western, southern and eastern sides of the park and 1.27km on the northern side - it is. If the courts, environmentalists and administrators are convinced that frenetic real estate activity beyond this radius is not antithetical to an avian refuge, then it must be so.

              But as the spotlight stayed on external threats to the Okhla park - real estate and pollution, primarily - the internal problems that birdwatchers have been speaking of for years festered in the shadows. To understand what these problems are, TOI toured the sanctuary on different days in April. This is what we found.

              Shorter migratory season: A thriving habitat for flamingos, sarus, pochards and several migratory species, Okhla wasn't its chirpy self this April as many of its avian visitors had left despite a shy summer. The annual repair work of the barrage's sluice gates was on even in late April, though it was scheduled to be completed by April 15.

              Birders claim this prolonged repair work, which has a direct effect on the park's ecosystem as it dries up the reservoir.

              According to bird watchers, migratory varieties that left early were the Northern Shoveler, Bar-headed Geese, Graylag Geese, Common Pochard, Common Teal, Garganey and Eurasian Wigeon. Resident birds, too, left the sanctuary earlier than usual. The Oriental Darter, Black-crowned Night Heron, Little Cormorant, Common Moorhen, Marsh Harrier and Little Grebe were among those to seek refuge elsewhere.

              There were others birds that stayed back but did not breed, like the Purple Swamphen, Grey Heron, Purple Heron, Black-winged Stilt, Spot-billed Duck and the White-breasted Waterhen.

              District forest officer KK Singh said, "The irrigation department started the repairs late, only by March end. It takes them a month to finish it. Repair of barrage sluice gates is an annual feature in India. We can't do anything to prevent it."

              P Rao, the joint engineer for Agra Canal, which originates in Okhla, blamed the delayed repair work on unseasonal rain. "The Yamuna water level was too high for us to conduct the repair work earlier," he said.

              Noise pollution: Owing to its location, wedged between two populous cities with vehicles continuously crisscrossing the Yamuna bridges, the Okhla park isn't exactly the birder's paradise where the silence is punctuated by chirps and tweets. There is always background noise here.

              There is no respite from honking cars all year. During festivals or the holiday season, noise pollution increases manifold as footfall at the sanctuary increases.

              During one of the visits, this correspondent came across a group loudly talking among itself, their chatter and bursts of laughter audible from a fair distance away. If this wasn't ideal behaviour in a bird sanctuary, the park's caretakers didn't reproach them either.

              In the monsoon months, kanwariyas throng the sanctuary, often playing loud music.

              During Chhat puja, devotees gather near the water body inside to offer prayers. "Noise pollution within the sanctuary needs to be stopped. It's a major factor behind scaring birds away," says T K Roy, an ecologist.

              A crematorium in the park: Deeper inside the sanctuary, a fully functional crematorium exists within its premises, next to the water body. This is highly polluting as bodies are cremated traditionally. "There is a need to separate the entrance to the crematorium so that mourners do not spill over into the sanctuary area," a senior forest department official says.

              Cattle invasion: Visitors often complain that cattle and buffalos are regularly brought to the sanctuary by local residents for bathing or wallowing. This affects the nests and breeding habits of a number of birds that like shallow waters. Some nests also get damaged but the park's management hasn't taken preventive measures.

              Concrete road: A 2.5-km-long road, built in 2005, cuts through the sanctuary. Concrete is not only environmentally polluting, it also kills a lot of food sources for birds.

              "A concrete road within a sanctuary is unheard of, yet it exists here," Roy says. The road can be used by vehicles that enter from the Delhi side of the park to go to Noida.

              "The forest department should carry out a study to see how each of these violations are affecting the habitat of this very special sanctuary in %the heart of NCR. If the sanctuary is not taken care of from within and domestic and migratory birds are not protected, then we may move court to see that all rules and regulations are enforced," says Gaurav Bansal, an environmental lawyer.

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              • Re : Jaypee Greens Wishtown, Noida

                Originally posted by dineshsays View Post
                So in effect an email from Jaypee confirming date to be beyond what is promised in PAL is enough?

                On the subject Aviral - I had heard - if you hv more than one house in same complex (In this case I hv 2 - Kalypso/KB) - if I complaint then consumer court would declare me an investor not a consumer and not entertain my case - any truth in that?

                Truth enough to take the case into the direction that you are not consumer, once the Court establishes if it does, that you are a consumer then your case starts. So time is wasted which is key. You should confirm this with the Legal group though. Or let me get more clarity.

                I think it's just one PIL That is needed to change the definition.
                After all Indians have huge families with siblings being able to afford seperate flats also fathers distributing his wealth to his inherits.

                Yash, what does lahoty say about this.

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                • Re : Jaypee Greens Wishtown, Noida

                  Originally posted by Aviral79 View Post
                  Truth enough to take the case into the direction that you are not consumer, once the Court establishes if it does, that you are a consumer then your case starts. So time is wasted which is key. You should confirm this with the Legal group though. Or let me get more clarity.

                  I think it's just one PIL That is needed to change the definition.
                  After all Indians have huge families with siblings being able to afford seperate flats also fathers distributing his wealth to his inherits.

                  Yash, what does lahoty say about this.
                  If any owner has more then 1 flat and is for personal use, no issue with that..

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                  • Re : Jaypee Greens Wishtown, Noida

                    Originally posted by t_yash View Post
                    If any owner has more then 1 flat and is for personal use, no issue with that..
                    Yes. You just have to say the one on which filing case is for personal use.

                    If whole group is filing case like with knight court, thsn no problem. Cases will get clubbed.

                    For anyone bought at 2012 prices and waiting 3.5 years and tower structure not yet ready, then 18% expected return through court case will outperform returns from property (expected 5% compound interest only) by a wide and massive margin.

                    Foolish not to file case.

                    Those buying at 4000 psf prices in 2006 and yet to get delivery and only structure ready will also get massive returns at 18% compound interest.

                    In another builder case (Ramprastha) for 3bhk bought at 2400 psf (=50 lakhs) in 2008, the present market price is about 3800 psf (=70 lakhs). Unlikely to deliver in 2 years so prices expected to stagnate. But court case will come in 2 years time (NCDRC). Expected award from court = 1.4 crores.

                    This is eqyivalent to price of 9300 psf (vs 3800 cirrent prices).

                    After clearing loan amount around 60 lakhs will come in buyers pocket.

                    Filing case is OBVIOUS choice. Anyone not filing is foolish.

                    In my own case of Kosmos, without bank loan expected award is 14% since own money and not bank loan.

                    That is prerty much close to my current return at about 13% with present market price. So for me filing case is marginal benefit.

                    But from now on for getting 14% return, within 3 years prices have to reach 6000 psf. Which seems very unlikely.

                    So for me also filing case is looking better and better as time passes and no construction and prices stagnating at 3600.
                    Last edited May 5 2015, 04:29 PM.
                    Venky (Please read watch a or before posting)

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                    • Re : Jaypee Greens Wishtown, Noida

                      Venkat Ji and senior member , I have few query ,appreciate your response on that :
                      I bought garden isle on resale last year however as per PAL possession date is oct 2015 (3.5 year from March 2012), can I able to file case in consumer court after oct 15 despite of purchasing unit just one and half year before.

                      I have another unit in kesington boulevard bought on fresh, both the unit is for personal use , can I file cases in consumer court for both the unit together ,whether I will be considered under the definition of consumer.

                      Thanks in advance

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