Hi All ,

I hear that the Blue Ridge Phase II is not doing well. Anyone having any updates on this scheme? What is the possession date for phase II? Heard a lot of cancellations have been happening there any idea please update.

Thanks in advance.
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  • srk2477 - t-22

    Originally Posted by brres13
    Bigbloodyt - t-23
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    neeone - t-22
    brres13 - t-20
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    srk2477 - t-22
    guys i will keep updating and reposting this everytime we have someone new.. just to make sure newjoiners are also aware that there are members who are getting together for this issue..


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  • Originally Posted by bigbloodyt
    Time to shift the focus from conjecture to reality. I was provided a draft copy of the agreement for my flat in T23 and was scheduled to go for agreement in the next few days. After looking at the agreement, I have decided not to go for registration until the issues raised by me are addressed.

    I do not feel it is appropriate to put the agreement up in a public forum, however, I can put in a list of issues that I have sought clarification on (and the specific clauses/page numbers and explanations for my questions) for the easy reference of other BR buyers who may be in a position to answer some of them or may want to use my list as a reference. Additions to the list are also more than welcome.

    Here is my list:
    (Note: This is a list that I have mailed to BR and as such the statements are addressed to them.)

    I would also like to appeal to all readers that comments such as "BR & Paranjape is a chor" and general BR bashing would not be useful response to the post. My purpose in getting this information out there is to request the more informed folks on the forum to advise on the concerns/issues raised by me that are unfounded and the ones that are relevant.

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    Spelling Mistake
    Page 4 . Section n: 44.63 "Hector"?
    Misrepresentation
    Page 5. Section s. Part ii - This is not true - no such "explanation" was given and no commercial / shopping arcade was specified for Tower 23. If this does not apply, it should not be part of agreement or should specify the towers where it applies. (Explanation: The clause states that they are constructing a shopping/commercial arcade on ground & upper floors which may have shops, banks, restaurants, offices, bars, discotheques and other retail activities etc. and that the purchaser has been informed of this and has no objection to this.)
    Spelling/Grammar Mistake
    Page 6. Section s . Part viii - "car parings" - what is car parings?? Tennis and court separated by commas? "The commerical premises purchasers not enter…" should be rephrased as "Purchasers will not enter..". (Explanation: Common amenities listed in the clause and it is specified that the commercial purchasers cannot use the same)
    Misrepresentation
    Page 8. Section u - This is not true. I have not demanded and have not been given said documents (Explanation: Clause states that the purchaser is satified with title of the Owner/Promoter to the said Township Land, his rights to develop the said Township and to allot and sell the said Flat).
    Misrepresentation
    Page 8. Section w - Untrue - I have not been shown copies of these documents. (Explanation: Similar to above point, relates to documents of locational clearance, letter of intent, layout approval, resolution of BOD, power of attorney etc.)
    Clarification needed
    Page 12 - Clause 3.6 - Please clarify what does this mean? (Explanation: The clause states that the owner/promoter has unrestricted rights to allot/sell/transfer/convey open spaces, parking spaces, gardens, lobbies, staircases, terraces to any person/s of his choice).
    Clarification Needed
    Page 12 - Clause 3.10 - Too one sided in stating that amenities can be added/removed/changed/moved at owner/promoters discretion; This clause needs to say what will be given to purchaser in lieu of changes/modifications/deletions and purchasers consideration in case of any additions. Shifting/Moving is fine - but removing/adding altogether alters the essence on the agreement
    Clarification Needed
    Page 13/14 - Clause 4.1 (Related to completion of construction on or before 31 Dec 2017) - Are you trying to say that the expected completion date is December 2017 and could extend by 2 years more?? i.e. up to Dec 2019?? This is crazy; you are saying that it takes 4 years to build this (even though supposedly foundation is completed) and then are adding another 2 years of "buffer". This is baffling. Please include the planned projections for completion of the superstructure and finishing in the agreement.
    Clarification Needed
    Page 14. Clause 4.2 - Why is the penalty clause for delay on owner/ promoter calculated as only 9% simple interest whereas default of payment carries penalty of 21% interest as given in clause 2.5?
    Conflicting/Contradictory
    Page 15. Clause 5.1.1 - States that building contains 24 floors? (Contradicts page 35 i.e. Stamp Duty particulars)
    Conflicting/Contradictory
    Page 20. Clause 7.3 - What about moving household items - the clause needs rework - am I expected to move my fridge/bed in my "4 wheeler light vehicle"? (Explanation: The clause states that the purchaser will not bring any heavy vehicles inside said township land)
    Conflicting/Contradictory
    Page 21. Clause 7.8 - Define items, current clause too generic - "heavy" is relative. Combustible - my cigarette lighter contains combustible fluid - am I not allowed to carry it into the building? Heavy is in contradiction to clause 7.9 where "heavy" items are to be carried in the service elevator. (Explanation: The clause states that the purchaser will not store any goods which are hazardous, combustible, dangerous and heavy in nature)
    Mistake
    Page 21. Clause 7.9 - Are only men allowed to be purchasers?? Refer to line "He shall abide..". Please replace to be gender neutral or change to "She/He shall abide..".
    Clarification Needed
    Page 22. Clause 7.15 - There is no mention of intimation. Notice has to be given before you enter into said flat - reasonable time is too generic a term; what's reasonable for one person may not be for the other. (Explanation: The clause states that people may need to be given access to your flat to examine the state/condition of flat in case they are trying to resolve a defect).
    Misrepresentation
    Page 25. Clause 7.34 - Again, as per issue with Page 5 section 2 part ii - I have not been informed of any commercial space in tower 23 where I have made the booking.
    Misrepresentation
    Page 26/27 Clause 7.42 - Untrue - I have not been shown copies of these documents. (Similar to other clauses given above where it is stated that the owner/promoter has shown me all documents related to title deeds, clearances etc.)
    Clarification Needed
    Page 30. Clause 10.13 - Unfair - If the society does not have enough funds to cover the payment because 10 % people have not paid up (or 10 % flats are unsold and therefore the Owner/Promoter are not paying maintenance), why should the 90% who have paid up be subjected to the inconvenience and indignation of having utilities/services/amenities unavailable. What provision/relief is available in such a situation where individually, I may not be at fault, but collectively, the society may be at fault? (Explanation: The clause states that if the society defaults in payment of maintenance, the township management authority can disconnect utilities, supply of other services, not permit members of said society to use township amenities and levy fines/penalties on the amount due)
    Clarification Needed
    Page 30. Clause 10.17 - What does this mean? If someone comes to visit me, they will have to pay a toll/entry fee? This is completely unacceptable in its present form - please define "Outsiders" to clarify this point related to toll/entry fee. (Explanation: This clause states that the township management authority can impose and collect a toll/entry fee on outsiders for ingress to the township).
    Clarification Needed
    Page 31. Clause 10.23 - This is a clear case of violation of MRTPC - how can you provision a monopoly in a competitive sector? (Explanation: Related to the fact that the township management authority dictates which providers will be permitted to give telephone, internet and cable TV services)
    Conflicting/Contradictory
    Page 35. Total floors of tower - Noted as Ground + Stilt + 30 In direct contradiction of Clause 5.1.1 on Page 15.
    Conflicting/Contradictory
    Page 48. Annexure - L. The payment schedule needs to be modified to reflect 30 floors (If the information on Page 35 is accurate). (Explanation: The payment schedule specified herein only considers 24 slabs i.e. 90% payment to be given on 24th slab.)


    Reply from BR:

    1) Spelling Mistake Page 4  - Can be rectified.
    2)Page 5. Section s. Part ii  - As discussed ,this is a common draft so such clauses are related with the cluster and township overall.
    3)Spelling/Grammar Mistake Page 6. Section s -Can be rectified.
    4)  Page 8. Section u - We will share the documents  file with you .
    5)Page 8. Section w - We will share the documents  file with you .
    6) Page 12 - Clause 3.6 - This agreement is for your flat only , the clause indicates the developer's rights  beside your flat.
    7)Page 12 - Clause 3.10 - We are always trying to fulfil our commitments  while giving any specification/ amenity,  However  there are many technical aspects involved in this process. so If it is found,any of the specifications/ amenities unfeasible , which will create unnecessary complications in future can be altered / deleted accordingly in the best interest of the purchaser / society.
    8) Page 13/14 - Clause 4.1 - AS discussed earlier this date is mentioned considering unavoidable circumstances / extreme factors. But for you we can provide you a comfort later for Dec. 2016.
    9)Page 14. Clause 4.2 - This is a standard draft as per CREDAI norms.
    10) Page 15. Clause 5.1.1 - 24 floors - It is revised as Ground+ stilt + 29 floors.
    11) Page 20. Clause 7.3 - This clause is about using allotted parking space for light vehicle family utility vehicles.
    12) Page 21. Clause 7.8 - The clause indicates  which is not permissible / safe for all.
    13) Page 21. Clause 7.9 - Can be rectified.
    14) Page 22. Clause 7.15  - Definitely we will take your permission, but this clause is for the rigid members who don't allow maintenance team to enter the flat.
    15)  Page 25. Clause 7.34 - This agreement is for your flat only , the clause indicates the developer's rights  beside your flat.
    16) Page 26/27 Clause 7.42  - We will share the documents  file with you .
    17) Page 30. Clause 10.13  - In extreme cases this clause is applied for the rigid members.
    18) Page 30. Clause 10.17 -  For hawkers/Sellers.
    19) Page 31. Clause 10.23 - This is our request ,our Service provider will always pay attention for the best services.
    20) Page 35. - It is revised as Ground+ stilt + 29 floors.
    21) Page 48 - Pl. discuss with your tower care taker.

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  • Originally Posted by bigbloodyt
    Reply from BR:

    9)Page 14. Clause 4.2 - This is a standard draft as per CREDAI norms.


    This is not correct. Sobha Builder for example mentions 18% for both Promoter and the Buyer. Many developers provide rent as compensation for delayed possession. Moreover CREADI is builders body and is not binding on Buyer. Its like I going to builder with standard draft prepared by Grahak Panchayat or My mother in law for that matter. Not sure if we can do much about it but the fact remains that these are completely unethical, one sided agreements.
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  • Why cant the simply answer some big issues ?

    1. Will they have two or three floors for commercial or only one or none ?
    2. Will they revise construction linked payment to reflect the 30 floor structure ?
    3. When will they deliver ? 2017 or 2016 ? If 2017....then whats their intent...to create structure in next 18 months and take 95% of payments or every stage gets delayed ?
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  • Blue Ridge

    I think builder is just trying to re-calculate how much he would incur to maintain the golf course and other amenities - hence stupid clauses like toll etc ...ask him whether he can make blue ridge as tunnel entry to mumbai -pune expressway - in that way he has every rite to correct toll even from pedestrians seen nearby:bab (59):
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  • Originally Posted by bigbloodyt
    Reply from BR:

    20) Page 35. - It is revised as Ground+ stilt + 29 floors.
    21) Page 48 - Pl. discuss with your tower care taker.

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    What do they mean 29 floors !! isnt it supposed to be 30 floors !!!
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  • Originally Posted by bigbloodyt
    Reply from BR:


    Based on the reply of BR there are the points which "I" still feel are important and need some action. I am posting these just so that we have a common stand on what we want..
    If any of you ( here i hope its people who have booked in BR ) have any different ideas, i am open to supporting them, These are just the Minimum points I would have insisted on


    Page 5. Section s. Part ii - (Explanation: The clause .... shopping/commercial arcade on ground & upper floors which may have ..... bars, discotheques and other the purchaser has been informed of this and has no objection to this.)

    BR reply Page 5. Section s. Part ii - As discussed ,this is a common draft so such clauses are related with the cluster and township overall.

    I would insist for :- Since this is general for the township and not for the particular tower
    Option 1 - remove it from the agreement.
    Option 2 - If for builders prtection etc.. it cannot be removed.. add a statement saying that these commercial spaces will not be constructed within tower # 23 or specifying residential tower numbers etc


    Page 12 - Clause 3.6 - Please clarify what does this mean? (Explanation: The clause states that the owner/promoter has unrestricted rights to allot/sell/transfer/convey open spaces, parking spaces, gardens, lobbies, staircases, terraces to any person/s of his choice).

    BR reply
    6) Page 12 - Clause 3.6 - This agreement is for your flat only , the clause indicates the developer's rights beside your flat.

    I would INSIST that this clause is taken out !! even thought the spaces mentioned above are outside the FLAT!! its still part of the open spaces provided for the residents.. and surrounding gardens etc cannot be used for their gain.. tomorrow if could be sold and we could have stalls in front of the entrance to be building.. so not acceptable.

    Page 12 - Clause 3.10 - Too one sided in stating that amenities can be added/removed/changed/moved at owner/promoters discretion; This clause needs to say what will be given to purchaser in lieu of changes/modifications/deletions and purchasers consideration in case of any additions. Shifting/Moving is fine - but removing/adding altogether alters the essence on the agreement

    BR reply 7)Page 12 - Clause 3.10 - We are always trying to fulfil our commitments while giving any specification/ amenity, However there are many technical aspects involved in this process. so If it is found,any of the specifications/ amenities unfeasible , which will create unnecessary complications in future can be altered / deleted accordingly in the best interest of the purchaser / society.

    Personally i dont disagree with this clause.. if anyone else (among us ie those who have booked already ) feels strongly about it, will support them, cuz things like amenities etc keep changing and 2 years down the line there may be scope for improvement as well..

    Page 13/14 - Clause 4.1 (Related to completion of construction on or before 31 Dec 2017)

    BR reply - 8) Page 13/14 - Clause 4.1 - AS discussed earlier this date is mentioned considering unavoidable circumstances / extreme factors.

    I would insist that.. the brunt of unavoidable circumstances should not be borne by the buyer alone.. and 2016 is still a very reasonable time frame.. so it MUST be changed in the agreement.
    A letter stating 2016, when the agreement has 2017 written in it has lesser worth than toilet paper. They know it, we know it.. so let not play games about this issue.

    Page 14. Clause 4.2 - Why is the penalty clause for delay on owner/ promoter calculated as only 9% simple interest whereas default of payment carries penalty of 21% interest as given in clause 2.5?

    BR reply - 9)Page 14. Clause 4.2 - This is a standard draft as per CREDAI norms.

    My opinion its not a fair world, i am not looking at a tit for tat with the builder.. i am only looking at .. atleast there is 9% interest mentioned..
    I am happy. again.. if majority of people ( only those who have booked here!! ) are of the opinion that it must be changed ..i will support

    Page 31. Clause 10.23 - This is a clear case of violation of MRTPC - how can you provision a monopoly in a competitive sector? (Explanation: Related to the fact that the township management authority dictates which providers will be permitted to give telephone, internet and cable TV services)
    Conflicting/Contradictory

    BR reply
    19) Page 31. Clause 10.23
    - This is our request ,our Service provider will always pay attention for the best services.

    I would insist - Get rid of this statement from the agreement.
    because if this is a request - fine we will love to have a township management which will get better deals for everyone and maintain a sort of standard for some items.. but NOT as part of the agreement.. in the future if the township management performs well and provides good service providers we will have no objection to continuing with the services.. A REQUEST ON AN LEGAL AGREEMENT IS ABSURD.

    Page 35. Total floors of tower - Noted as Ground + Stilt + 30 In direct contradiction of Clause 5.1.1 on Page 15.
    20) Page 35. - It is revised as Ground+ stilt + 29 floors.
    Will be revised to what finally..

    Page 48. Annexure - L. The payment schedule needs to be modified to reflect 30 floors (If the information on Page 35 is accurate). (Explanation: The payment schedule specified herein only considers 24 slabs i.e. 90% payment to be given on 24th slab.)
    Reply from BR:
    21) Page 48 - Pl. discuss with your tower care taker.
    I suggest we find out who this care taker is, cuz it dosent seem to be someone sitting in the office !! will try looking at the security staff next!!

    AGAIN I would like to remind people that I dont intent to post this to provide some entertainment by arguing about these points..
    For those of us who have booked here.. lets agree on some points and have a common stand.. it helps when we walk into a discussion .. with some common points..
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  • For some of the other points. like entrance for visitors mentioned in the agreement etc..
    I am not very concerned.. There is already a strong presence of the society in BR, , and residents are already taking a very strong stand on issues related to them. Its a very very active society and members are not people who will lie down and allow township or any authority to take them for a ride.
    I cannot post information here about things which are discussed on the forums in sites like apartment adda .. as its a private and restricted forum.. But if you knew of the things they are doing to improve things at BR you would be pleasantly surprised.
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  • Originally Posted by brres13
    Bigbloodyt - t-23
    humble_guy - t-23
    Baruch - t-23
    brshanghai - t-23
    neeone - t-22
    srk2477 - t22
    brres13 - t-20
    vivikul - t-20

    guys i will keep updating and reposting this everytime we have someone new.. just to make sure newjoiners are also aware that there are members who are getting together for this issue..


    Count me in... I am in T - 23 3bhk
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  • Superduper,

    PRB has replied aptly, so won't discuss the same again. Our difference of opinion is due to the fact that you are an investor while are looking at end user perspective (full time home). You would accept the fact that investors & end users have different requirements & areas on which compromise can't be done. Anyways, its good to see investor perspective as well.

    bigbloodyt,

    Thanks for updates.
    That commercial stuff, toll etc. needs to be sorted as you guys have rightly said.
    Btw, if there is some hotel/canteen like stuff in shops below residential building, it can be dangerous if it is using lpg cylinders (not sure about pipe gas compulsion in BR, including for commercial area). There was an incident where a canteen lpg cylinder blew up & flats upto 2nd floor got damaged & few people injured with burns. :o See what BR is saying here & get it confirmed from Dolphin.

    Now here comes one more issue :-

    BR has major land given out for golf & it is paid amenity. Now, if BR doesn't get enough members for golf, how are they going to maintain the golf ? By increasing maintenance of flat buyers here ? You need to ensure that areas outside your tower cluster is not part of maintenance in your agreement or atleast the areas need to be well defined, like security, generator, etc. If golf course maintenance is passed on to flat buyers, it will become a liability to all.
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  • What is the discount offered by Paranjape at BR under their festive offer ?
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  • Originally Posted by realacres

    BR has major land given out for golf & it is paid amenity. Now, if BR doesn't get enough members for golf, how are they going to maintain the golf ? By increasing maintenance of flat buyers here ? You need to ensure that areas outside your tower cluster is not part of maintenance in your agreement or atleast the areas need to be well defined, like security, generator, etc. If golf course maintenance is passed on to flat buyers, it will become a liability to all.


    True, I don't think this will be an issue as there is another clause in the agreement which specifies the exact "cluster" that will be clubbed together to form a society and that this cluster would be responsible for maintenance only related to that cluster. Will go over the agreement to confirm this again.


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  • Originally Posted by brres13

    Page 14. Clause 4.2 - Why is the penalty clause for delay on owner/ promoter calculated as only 9% simple interest whereas default of payment carries penalty of 21% interest as given in clause 2.5?

    BR reply - 9)Page 14. Clause 4.2 - This is a standard draft as per CREDAI norms.

    My opinion its not a fair world, i am not looking at a tit for tat with the builder.. i am only looking at .. atleast there is 9% interest mentioned..
    I am happy. again.. if majority of people ( only those who have booked here!! ) are of the opinion that it must be changed ..i will support


    What are CREDAI norms? Is there any standard booklet of CREDAI norms available and approved by government authorities? Where does CREDAI stand in our system to define such norms? Is CREDAI norm above the MOFA act?
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  • T21....count me in as well
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  • T-22

    Waiting for the copy of registration documents from BR
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