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  • Re : Blue Ridge by Paranjape Schemes in Hinjewadi, Pune

    Originally posted by mangomen View Post
    For the maintenance of Golf course - what is the source of water

    Isn't it a shame - in the world around Pune (and within Pune to some extent) - people do not have sufficient water to drink- irrigate farmlands - water for daily chores

    and Blue ridge like townships are making shameless claim over scarce essential resource.

    Some kind of aftermath - like outrage can not be ruled out against innocent residents-- a fear that can not be ruled out in the future if water scarcity is going to be the order of the day.
    why is it a shame? water is not scare its a man made problem. if people want water for free and elect corrupt officials then this is what one will get. stop showing people with means in poor light. if someone has worked hard to buy a flat and enjoy facilities then let them do it.

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    • Re : Blue Ridge by Paranjape Schemes in Hinjewadi, Pune

      Originally posted by mangomen View Post
      imagine a scenario -- golf playing population in BR is in same proportion as it is in the world ---

      let us assume total population of BR = 10,000 residents.

      proportion of golfers (amateurs and professionals etc) = 1% (a bit higher number is taken to explain the point ; actual percentage will be ridiculous --- .001% as per PGA)

      so in all golf players will be = 100= 100 families (let us assume for a moment)

      can these 100 families will have any say in deciding the use of golf course... regulating it-- maintaining it---- ??
      no they wont. why should they? the golf course belongs to someone else and the member is using it by paying a fee. does one regulate and maintain a multiplex or airplane or does one use the service by paying a fee?

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      • Re : Blue Ridge by Paranjape Schemes in Hinjewadi, Pune

        Originally posted by mangomen View Post
        the water to be used for a golf course can be used to water the plants, trees. it provides much needed soil protection and other benefits....

        There is ample amount of facts available on net to support the claim that golf courses should be replaced by greener and more environment frindly options like trees, plantations.

        A few comments:

        "Urban, middle class residents - with water-consuming appliances, homes with lawns to water and a fondness for golf courses - use 300 percent more water than their rural counterparts." - CNN

        "Keeping a golf course in top shape requires large amounts of water, fertilizers, and toxic pesticides that end up running off the land into lakes and rivers and giving golf a bad name." - National Geographic

        "Golf courses need constant water supply of reasonable quality" - Australian institute of Golf course architects...

        Research is underway to make golf courses less of a hazard -- something (golf courses) that should be avoided especially in a country like India - where any eco-friendly technique takes decades to reach and come into practice.

        The point is --- in place of golf courses - tree plantation should have been on builder's menu,

        But instead- they built a golf course - to appease those who can get this mental comfort of paying premium price (due to golf course).

        in any case - i feel sorry for those who would be living in such townships where water is seen going down the drain - and just outside the township - people are fighting for water..... can the residents live in such an environment?

        I am sure - State will come heavily - on such townships - in near future- if the fear of acute water crisis grips us.

        Please read indian newspapers - drought etc. words will be visible. scarcity in and around pune - is real. States with abundant water resources (like maharashtra is water rich given the rainfall etc.) should not start misusing its resources, Spare water for those who do not have it.

        It is a debate which needs factual correctness for people to understand. BR - no matter what builder says - will either remain a water guzzler or there will be mass protests against such set ups/townships.... in the near future... PIL's may be filed against secretaries, presidents of such societies, builders (all to made co-accused).

        i am not saying the Water war is on -- but there will be a war for water in few years (5-10 years).
        water wars is in the same category as peak oil. people who want govts to spend trillions on green energy and costly projects come up with such ideas. there will be no water wars if private industry is allowed to supply water. give power, road, water and housing to govt control and we will face not only war but total chaos

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        • Re : Blue Ridge by Paranjape Schemes in Hinjewadi, Pune

          Originally posted by herohiralal View Post
          why is it a shame? water is not scare its a man made problem. if people want water for free and elect corrupt officials then this is what one will get. stop showing people with means in poor light. if someone has worked hard to buy a flat and enjoy facilities then let them do it.
          Have you ever heard of "judicious use" of resources....

          No resource is scarce if all of use it judiciously,,,

          But people with means (not all but a significant majority) - tend to waste the most.....

          a house - fully air conditioned - all year round --- will result more CO2 emissions than a chullah burning on charcoal/firewood....

          it is these people with means (not all of course) -- who need to start caring for those who do not have.... everyone is entitled to basic necessaries of life.... irrespective of means....

          Bottomline-- wasteful use of water should be avoided -- irrespective of size of one's pocket/bank a/c.

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          • Re : Blue Ridge by Paranjape Schemes in Hinjewadi, Pune

            Originally posted by mangomen View Post
            Have you ever heard of "judicious use" of resources....

            No resource is scarce if all of use it judiciously,,,

            But people with means (not all but a significant majority) - tend to waste the most.....

            a house - fully air conditioned - all year round --- will result more CO2 emissions than a chullah burning on charcoal/firewood....

            it is these people with means (not all of course) -- who need to start caring for those who do not have.... everyone is entitled to basic necessaries of life.... irrespective of means....

            Bottomline-- wasteful use of water should be avoided -- irrespective of size of one's pocket/bank a/c.
            Point well received. Being conscious of ones impact on the environment and avoiding any wastage of natural resources is extremely important, however, a flame war on the forum isn't really the best way to go about it. I'm sure most of us understand the need to be judicious in the use of all resources and, unfortunately, it's not something that a few individuals posting on the blue ridge forum will achieve.

            As far as figures are concerned, the largest user of fresh water across the world is agriculture (about 69%), the next is industrial (22%) and the smallest proportion is household (8%) - ultimately, it is critical that we, as responsible citizens conserve water across all these uses.

            I too agree that the backbone of stable and efficient infrastructure and distribution is privatisation/deregulation. As far as blue ridge is concerned, as long as I can get 50 litres of water a day for each person in my house ( for which I have paid a significant 'infrastructure' cost) I will be content. If water scarcity makes the golf course somewhat brown, I will not be complaining. If my neighbour leaves the tap running and wastes 1000 litres of water - I'll be doing something about it. If my tap runs dry while the golf course is being watered, I will be doing something about it. Suffice to say, I will be proactive/reactive based on the situation and will not be basing my actions on conjecture.

            As rightly said by someone on the forum earlier, there's enough water for all of us in this country - the only thing I would like to add is 'if we all use it judiciously'.

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            • Re : Blue Ridge by Paranjape Schemes in Hinjewadi, Pune

              Originally posted by mangomen View Post
              in any case - i feel sorry for those who would be living in such townships where water is seen going down the drain - and just outside the township - people are fighting for water..... can the residents live in such an environment?

              I am sure - State will come heavily - on such townships - in near future- if the fear of acute water crisis grips us.

              Please read indian newspapers - drought etc. words will be visible. scarcity in and around pune - is real. States with abundant water resources (like maharashtra is water rich given the rainfall etc.) should not start misusing its resources, Spare water for those who do not have it.

              It is a debate which needs factual correctness for people to understand. BR - no matter what builder says - will either remain a water guzzler or there will be mass protests against such set ups/townships.... in the near future... PIL's may be filed against secretaries, presidents of such societies, builders (all to made co-accused).

              i am not saying the Water war is on -- but there will be a war for water in few years (5-10 years).
              PIL's may be filed against secretaries, presidents of such societies, builders (all to made co-accused) ???

              And what about doing something about the person who gulped thousand of crores in the name of irrigation projects and is your deputy CM ? But mangomen will not have guts to utter anything about him and his types? Most probably they will rather take 500 rs note on election eve...buy a desi pawwa and vote for these shameless people

              Some of the same mangomen will search around for next five years and find symbolic and small targets and vent their frustrations

              I for records, strongly oppose such repulsive thinking which says that golf courses should not be built in India...Indians deserve all this and in fact our kids will/should get much more...at least the hard working ones...

              Water crisis has roots somewhere...please don't distract people

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              • Re : Blue Ridge by Paranjape Schemes in Hinjewadi, Pune

                in a year -55 litres of water is needed for 1 square feet of turfgrass.

                Encourage judicious use of water; and anything that can ease/reward the wastage - will need to be discouraged--- that is being preventive and being proactive---- it is for the benefit of all future generations including the present generations.

                In stead of a golf course - it is better to have a tree park - children playground,

                Golf course has a limited utility...

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                • Re : Blue Ridge by Paranjape Schemes in Hinjewadi, Pune

                  Golf course V/s tree park

                  Originally posted by mangomen View Post
                  in a year -55 litres of water is needed for 1 square feet of turfgrass.

                  Encourage judicious use of water; and anything that can ease/reward the wastage - will need to be discouraged--- that is being preventive and being proactive---- it is for the benefit of all future generations including the present generations.

                  In stead of a golf course - it is better to have a tree park - children playground,

                  Golf course has a limited utility...
                  The needs of the rich always get more importance.The decision makers always cloak the action to fulfill needs of rich by quoting employment opportunities which will be generated,tourism potential etc.
                  Golf course needs caddies,and several helpers.That is employment potential.
                  An airport will easily get sanctioned rather than 10 bus stations.Airport may be used by a lakh of people but bus stand will serve a million people.
                  India has a biased decision making system.Welfare of Mango man is an excuse for taking pro rich decisions.
                  We have townships in Pune which get extra ordinary privileges of unlimited water supply,power and facilities.
                  Our leading parties are pro rich in thought process but use common man as a convenient cover.
                  Sugar cane gets cultivated in drought prone areas of Maharashtra,citing employment potential.Who owns the sugar cane coop societies ? all know the answer.The entire top decision making authorities themselves are owner/principal stake holder in sugar industry.
                  We need to change our priorities and direction of decision making. Roads,rails,buses,trees are priority.Golf courses,race courses,casinos should be lower in priority.Till the parties change their philosophy,things will not change
                  AAP has a philosophy to involve the common man in decision making which would be better.At least what the common man needs will be heard(hopefully)

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                  • Re : Blue Ridge by Paranjape Schemes in Hinjewadi, Pune

                    Originally posted by vaibav123 View Post
                    The needs of the rich always get more importance.The decision makers always cloak the action to fulfill needs of rich by quoting employment opportunities which will be generated,tourism potential etc.
                    Golf course needs caddies,and several helpers.That is employment potential.
                    An airport will easily get sanctioned rather than 10 bus stations.Airport may be used by a lakh of people but bus stand will serve a million people.
                    India has a biased decision making system.Welfare of Mango man is an excuse for taking pro rich decisions.
                    We have townships in Pune which get extra ordinary privileges of unlimited water supply,power and facilities.
                    Our leading parties are pro rich in thought process but use common man as a convenient cover.
                    Sugar cane gets cultivated in drought prone areas of Maharashtra,citing employment potential.Who owns the sugar cane coop societies ? all know the answer.The entire top decision making authorities themselves are owner/principal stake holder in sugar industry.
                    We need to change our priorities and direction of decision making. Roads,rails,buses,trees are priority.Golf courses,race courses,casinos should be lower in priority.Till the parties change their philosophy,things will not change
                    AAP has a philosophy to involve the common man in decision making which would be better.At least what the common man needs will be heard(hopefully)
                    This township is not built by govt.

                    As long as they arrange water by legal and ethical means, it should be okay.

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                    • Re : Blue Ridge by Paranjape Schemes in Hinjewadi, Pune

                      townships

                      Originally posted by RP Pune View Post
                      This township is not built by govt.

                      As long as they arrange water by legal and ethical means, it should be okay.
                      friend,
                      Some townships was built by some builder no doubt,but the laws were made to favor such people.Laws/acts were quickly passed to facilitate the builder due to closeness of relationships.
                      It is not a normal township where you get 24/7 water supply when whole Maharashtra is suffering serious drought.

                      Legal and ethical means are vague terms when applied to our system of governance.Chara scam,disproportionate asset scam against SP.BSP is under investigation.The investigation will be shoddy and people acquitted.Does that mean those who are acquired have done legal and ethical things?
                      The policy making agency decides priority of water.Sugar cane factories get priority.Self interest governs the decision,because decision makers are themselves factory owners,head coop societies as read from news papers.
                      Fundamental canon of administration gets violated. No decision is to be taken where decision maker directly/indirectly benefits.
                      The point I wish to make is that decision makers have vested interest in decisions being made which favor their interests.This self interest is what is ruining the India growth story and keeping vast majority poor and some rich beyond imagination.
                      For India to develop self interest should not precede national interest.

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