Hi All ,

I hear that the Blue Ridge Phase II is not doing well. Anyone having any updates on this scheme? What is the possession date for phase II? Heard a lot of cancellations have been happening there any idea please update.

Thanks in advance.
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  • Originally Posted by pnq2012
    And that is the problem with the way things are governed in India. If the Govt. keeps changing rules like these, builders will tend to take advantage & buyers will suffer. And this is also because of buyer's demands to buy property near commercial spots. It is exactly the discussion I have been having in other forums that the main reason for such lack of planning is that we, buyers, expect everything close by. Why don't I see buyers demanding more recreation and parks instead of shops? They won't because by the end of the day, they care more about walking to stores than taking their kids to parks.

    Man, you can't compare US with India as what you said suits better for US.
    One can't expect to drive 2km just to get Amul ice-cream or drive 4km to get good stationary. Everyone likes to have open areas, garden around their locality but then it doesn't come at the cost of basic infra. This is like giving you gold plate but what you have as food on it is lemon. So, what's the use of gold plate ? Better have regular plates with good food.

    As far as BR is concerned, I wasn't a big fan of the golf course. I would have preferred a full fledged park with garden, play areas and walking tracks. But I'm probably the odd person out.

    If this happens, from where will builder earn money ? The builder has already charged you high loading including the area for golf yet you pay membership. Ideally, I too would have liked a park rather than golf. Park looks much natural & you feel more close to nature than golf which is highly artificial.


    I don't think they can build a SEZ on the piece of golf course land. They probably do not have that much FSI. But I won't be surprised if they drop the idea of the dome shaped golf club with hotel and instead build a club with commercial shops & restaurants around it.

    As per norms, builder can build as much as 40% more on the same land by using TDR. This means if BR has FSI of land say 1L sq ft, using TDR they can build 1.4L sq ft. Now this additional 40% construction can now be done on open spaces which exists now. And yes, building a SEZ or commercial building is much more profitable rather than golf membership. And in anycase, buyers here don't own the land, so they can't do anything even if half of the golf course gets removed.
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  • Originally Posted by realacres
    Man, you can't compare US with India as what you said suits better for US.
    One can't expect to drive 2km just to get Amul ice-cream or drive 4km to get good stationary. Everyone likes to have open areas, garden around their locality but then it doesn't come at the cost of basic infra. This is like giving you gold plate but what you have as food on it is lemon. So, what's the use of gold plate ? Better have regular plates with good food.


    If this happens, from where will builder earn money ? The builder has already charged you high loading including the area for golf yet you pay membership. Ideally, I too would have liked a park rather than golf. Park looks much natural & you feel more close to nature than golf which is highly artificial.



    As per norms, builder can build as much as 40% more on the same land by using TDR. This means if BR has FSI of land say 1L sq ft, using TDR they can build 1.4L sq ft. Now this additional 40% construction can now be done on open spaces which exists now. And yes, building a SEZ or commercial building is much more profitable rather than golf membership. And in anycase, buyers here don't own the land, so they can't do anything even if half of the golf course gets removed.



    I agree there are people who want to live in areas where everything is available
    close by .. including your fav. Amul ice-cream :)

    But then the neighbourhood more often than not gets soo crowded that they end up
    driving 4 kms everyday to get to some park for a walk.
    Many people drive everyday just to get to a gym or a park.

    I would happily drive to Dmart or any place 4kms or more occasionally rather than live
    in an over crowded area and face the music (honking) daily.
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  • Originally Posted by realacres

    As per norms, builder can build as much as 40% more on the same land by using TDR. This means if BR has FSI of land say 1L sq ft, using TDR they can build 1.4L sq ft.


    How do you know that BR hasn't already done this as a part of the exiting plans? When it is possible for a builder to build 1.4L sq ft. why would he construct only 1L now and leave .4 L for later ? If I were the builder I would get the max possible FSI upfront and design my township layout based on that. Besides, the golf course is now surrounded on all sides by 25-30 story towers. No one would be willing to live in the middle of that...it would never sell....thats the reason why the Paranpe's original plan had bungalows in the center of the towers which they subsequently converted to a golf course. They must have also realized that no one in their right mind would live in a bungalow surrounded by 30 story towers.
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  • off topic - Infosys Engineer Murdered in Hinjewadi

    सॉफ्टवेअर इंजिनिअरची हत्या-पुणे-महाराष्ट्र-Maharashtra Times

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  • Originally Posted by fnln510
    How do you know that BR hasn't already done this as a part of the exiting plans? When it is possible for a builder to build 1.4L sq ft. why would he construct only 1L now and leave .4 L for later ? If I were the builder I would get the max possible FSI upfront and design my township layout based on that. Besides, the golf course is now surrounded on all sides by 25-30 story towers. No one would be willing to live in the middle of that...it would never sell....thats the reason why the Paranpe's original plan had bungalows in the center of the towers which they subsequently converted to a golf course. They must have also realized that no one in their right mind would live in a bungalow surrounded by 30 story towers.


    >> thats the reason why the Paranpe's original plan had bungalows in the center of the towers which they subsequently converted to a golf course.

    aah okay.. i was under the impression that golf course was an "amenity" right from the beginning.

    In any case, I have seen builders build more floors over the existing building, even after exterior painting is done (but maybe possession not given and water tank not operational). Example is Alcove project at PS.
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  • Originally Posted by fnln510
    How do you know that BR hasn't already done this as a part of the exiting plans? When it is possible for a builder to build 1.4L sq ft. why would he construct only 1L now and leave .4 L for later ? If I were the builder I would get the max possible FSI upfront and design my township layout based on that.


    exactly my point...BR has already utilised all FSI ...this change doesnt make any difference..
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  • Originally Posted by Baruch
    exactly my point...BR has already utilised all FSI ...this change doesnt make any difference..


    I think, this change gives 10 acres more to BR to build up (if total land area is 100 acres).

    Say for example, 100 acre is available.

    Earlier 20% of land was reserved for open spaces. The rest 80 acres was for using FSI (+ TDR if any).
    Now, 10% more land is available for building. So builder can build on 10 acres as per FSI and keep only 10 acres as empty. this is how I see it. Not sure how it is calculated under STA act.

    I am not sure whether golf course counts as public areas like parks. So nothing may come up at golf course. If it counts as public space, it may see some building on 10 acres piece.


    How do you know that BR hasn't already done this as a part of the exiting plans? When it is possible for a builder to build 1.4L sq ft. why would he construct only 1L now and leave .4 L for later ?


    Note that FSI available is 1. He can buy TDR and build up to 1.4. "Buy TDR" is the keyword here. And it isnt cheap. Builder hasnt got 1.4 up front, he has to buy that extra 0.4. He is not leaving out 0.4 for later, he is planning that he might get that 0.4 later. I guess nobody buys TDR first and then starts construction. They generally start construction first and when they get TDR, they reduce the open spaces.

    I also do not think they removed the bungalows for providing golf course + open space... they just built more floors and got the money from there. And kept within the FSI allocated to them.
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  • Data points from staying ar BR on rent:

    1. Cost of house-help/maids is 50% more than other places I lived at. And those places were hig-priced societies too.
    2. Finding things nearby, that we generally take for granted, can be a challenge. I was looking for brown paper to cover my kid's school books. I went to 6 general/variety stores and 2 stationary stores around the hinjewadi chowk surroundings. None had it. They said they will keep after few days before school reopens. I have never faced this challenge before.
    3. Reconfirmed that trying to go out with yout family in a car during 6 pm to 8:30 pm is sheer stupidity. The traffic makes it impossible. If you want to have a heart-attack or some such attack, try and have it outside this time. The ambulace may not be of much help.
    4. The guards are very helpful. Better than most I have seen in India.
    5. Severe dust issues for Towers 8-14 that face the new IT office construction. Absolutely fed up with it. The only respite was day before when it rained.
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  • Originally Posted by sudhashbahu
    Data points from staying ar BR on rent:

    1. Cost of house-help/maids is 50% more than other places I lived at. And those places were hig-priced societies too.
    2. Finding things nearby, that we generally take for granted, can be a challenge. I was looking for brown paper to cover my kid's school books. I went to 6 general/variety stores and 2 stationary stores around the hinjewadi chowk surroundings. None had it. They said they will keep after few days before school reopens. I have never faced this challenge before.
    3. Reconfirmed that trying to go out with yout family in a car during 6 pm to 8:30 pm is sheer stupidity. The traffic makes it impossible. If you want to have a heart-attack or some such attack, try and have it outside this time. The ambulace may not be of much help.
    4. The guards are very helpful. Better than most I have seen in India.
    5. Severe dust issues for Towers 8-14 that face the new IT office construction. Absolutely fed up with it. The only respite was day before when it rained.


    1 - hinjewadi is costlier than many other parts. The reason being the impression that every IT guy has a bagful of "daallarraan". Even a pint of beer at any half decent mosquito riddled garden restaurants that are aplenty in hinjewadi is costlier than in a similar place elsewhere.

    2 - more likely to improve over time.

    3 - No scope for any improvement in near future. Needs flyovers and wider roads.

    4 - thats good.

    5 - more likely to improve over time. how long will construction continue at BR. I mean, if it takes five more years to finish all construction, then this problem will be there for five more years.
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  • BR in simple terms is a costly but well organised project-Township,but outside the four walls of the town,there is lot to be desired.
    Now it depends on how much time you spend inside the township and outside.
    It becomes highly individual choice.
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  • Originally Posted by brres13
    I agree there are people who want to live in areas where everything is available
    close by .. including your fav. Amul ice-cream :)

    But then the neighbourhood more often than not gets soo crowded that they end up
    driving 4 kms everyday to get to some park for a walk.
    Many people drive everyday just to get to a gym or a park.

    I would happily drive to Dmart or any place 4kms or more occasionally rather than live
    in an over crowded area and face the music (honking) daily.


    BR is good for people who are aligned to your way of thinking. For others, BR is a huge headache. In general, anybody who cannot ride bike/drive car will find it a huge headache as their independence is severely affected.

    When my parents used to visit us at my previous places, they went out independently and did whatever they wanted to do without having to depend on me.
    At BR, they have to wait for me to come home if they need anything.
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  • Originally Posted by Sat234
    I think, this change gives 10 acres more to BR to build up (if total land area is 100 acres).

    Say for example, 100 acre is available.

    Earlier 20% of land was reserved for open spaces. The rest 80 acres was for using FSI (+ TDR if any).
    Now, 10% more land is available for building. So builder can build on 10 acres as per FSI and keep only 10 acres as empty. this is how I see it. Not sure how it is calculated under STA act.

    I am not sure whether golf course counts as public areas like parks. So nothing may come up at golf course. If it counts as public space, it may see some building on 10 acres piece.



    Note that FSI available is 1. He can buy TDR and build up to 1.4. "Buy TDR" is the keyword here. And it isnt cheap. Builder hasnt got 1.4 up front, he has to buy that extra 0.4. He is not leaving out 0.4 for later, he is planning that he might get that 0.4 later. I guess nobody buys TDR first and then starts construction. They generally start construction first and when they get TDR, they reduce the open spaces.

    I also do not think they removed the bungalows for providing golf course + open space... they just built more floors and got the money from there. And kept within the FSI allocated to them.


    Are we assuming that the new rules are retroactive ? Or we know that for the fact ?

    If rules are are in fact applicable to BR, you and replacer are suggesting that........BR can come back and redevelop ( now just now but anytime in future ) and reduce the existing open spaces.....i.e. Golf Course.
    Is that right ?
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  • The drinking water has a slight taste that I find unpalatable even after using Aquagaurd. Need advice from folks staying at BR on how they treat drinking water and if anyone has suceeded in getting rid of the taste.

    I initially thought that the taste may be a figment of my imagination so I got a can of Bisleri yesterday and found the taste between the two striking.
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  • Originally Posted by Superduper
    Are we assuming that the new rules are retroactive ? Or we know that for the fact ?

    If rules are are in fact applicable to BR, you and replacer are suggesting that........BR can come back and redevelop ( now just now but anytime in future ) and reduce the existing open spaces.....i.e. Golf Course.
    Is that right ?


    No I do not know for sure that the rules are retrospective.

    Who is replacer ?

    Logically, if I own the land and I am the "Special Township Authority" (i.e. God of the township), then probably yes (if the approvals are given). IIRC, even townships under the Special Township Act have to get the plans approved (which shouldnt be that difficult).

    I have heard that there have been builders who have reduced size of amenities (does your agreement mention the size of the swimming pool or garden?) or knocked them out , and built another building in place of the promised amenities/garden. One - "heard" about costa rica wakad. He did not remove amenities but he shifted the placements. So your garden facing flat isnt garden facing anymore. Two - Pride purple for sure had moved amenities. Three - "heard" that sanskriti wakad built another building in place of amenities.

    I am not implying that it will happen in BR. I am saying that it may happen.
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  • Originally Posted by sudhashbahu
    The drinking water has a slight taste that I find unpalatable even after using Aquagaurd. Need advice from folks staying at BR on how they treat drinking water and if anyone has suceeded in getting rid of the taste.

    I initially thought that the taste may be a figment of my imagination so I got a can of Bisleri yesterday and found the taste between the two striking.


    I would suggest an RO purifier .. or continue those 15L bisleri cans. Aquaguard kills the germs if any and filters out the particles but it cannot remove dissolved salts.

    Do not use the water for drinking if you find the taste strange. I think this is because they have their own captive water treatment plant, and it might not be removing some salts etc. Fine to use it for bathing etc though.

    Off topic - how effective are the water filters available in the market?
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