Hi All ,

I hear that the Blue Ridge Phase II is not doing well. Anyone having any updates on this scheme? What is the possession date for phase II? Heard a lot of cancellations have been happening there any idea please update.

Thanks in advance.
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  • Originally Posted by RE2014
    Hello,

    can anyone clarify if the 7000 Rs. maintenance also includes water charges? or they are on top? Thanks!


    Water charges are included.
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  • Thanks! Good relief. i have heard societies in Baner, Balewadi and PS bringing water tankers and water charges are around 4000 Rs. per month apart from maintenance.
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  • Originally Posted by RE2014
    Thanks! Good relief. i have heard societies in Baner, Balewadi and PS bringing water tankers and water charges are around 4000 Rs. per month apart from maintenance.


    Windwards in wakad used to charge 600 per month extra per flat for tankers two years back - don't know current state, Builder didn't provide them adequate size of water connection.
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  • 4000 looks to be on higher side. I have heard in the range 1500-2000.

    Water charges at BR are part of township charges. The township has rain water harvesting and uses recycled water for landscaped gardens, school ground and golf course. All towers have proper drains and sump pumps that throw water into an outside drain, which is then processed by STP.

    Under Maharashtra Township Act, township is responsible for providing water to residents & at the moment Mula river is the source. Water is treated at the tube settler plant & supplied to societies, SEZ and school. Each society has a water treatment plant to further treat the township water. Societies test water quarterly. On top of that all tanks are cleaned every quarter to ensure good water. All this is part of maintenance. Although the tap water is supposedly drinkable, residents go for their own filters to further treat the water.

    Township has a huge reservoir that can hold water for entire township to last for few weeks. This is if Mula river dries up. Township also has a mechanism in place to purchase water from MIDC but that probability is less as MIDC itself depends on Mula river because of the IT park. As long as Mulshi dam reservoir has enough water, chances of Mula river drying up is remote. Haven't happened before.

    Since there is no shortage of water, the downside is that water gets wasted a lot.

    I'm totally against depending on tanker water. It is unreliable as God knows where all they fill water from, it is run by tanker mafia & has full control now. They do not fill the water completely nor they clean them up regularly. Not to mention, all these tankers cause pollution, accidents and what not.
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  • other view - with such townships developing and picking up water from river - more farmers will die.. :-|
    Even if the water is given to farmers by a dam, such townships will pump it and farmers will remain thirsty.
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  • Originally Posted by investwest
    other view - with such townships developing and picking up water from river - more farmers will die.. :-|
    Even if the water is given to farmers by a dam, such townships will pump it and farmers will remain thirsty.


    On the flip side, all the farmers are selling their lands to builders and becoming rich these days in Pune. E.g. - I have seen Saarthi Signor phase 2 coming up (booking to be started) in farm lands just behind phase 1.
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  • Originally Posted by investwest
    other view - with such townships developing and picking up water from river - more farmers will die.. :-|
    Even if the water is given to farmers by a dam, such townships will pump it and farmers will remain thirsty.


    Does your view have any basis? You pretty much seem to suggest that townships exhaust water resources. So how is that different than other development that goes on in the city? In fact, proper EC limit has been set on how much water can be used by townships. It has a framework to reuse and conserve water better than in the city where development is not done in a planned manner.
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  • Originally Posted by investwest
    other view - with such townships developing and picking up water from river - more farmers will die.. :-|
    Even if the water is given to farmers by a dam, such townships will pump it and farmers will remain thirsty.


    Farmers wont remain thirsty... they will sell their land to builders and become millionaires driving Audis and BMWs and people like you and I would become slaves of the bank taking hefty loans to fund these worthless projects hoping that one day our investment doubles and we sell it to make a fortune.
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  • If you try to use even at least 1% of your brain then you'll notice the 'basis' and issues with lavasa - why I mentioned lavasa - you can see broader problems at least and then come to such smaller townships.
    Anyways, people do water theft and you must not be aware of it and even if you are aware, you won't agree.

    Other part of city and development pay for water and limited water (as per decided quota) gets lifted up from designated river/dam/reservoir, it's not like just fit a pump on river and extract water as much as you want.
    In some parts of India and Maharashtra - direct lifting from river is banned and is offense, in some parts of India as well as Maharashtra, even digging a borewell next to a dam is banned.

    If you don't know, then you can ask and clarify instead of terming something baseless when actually you don't have any knowledge base.
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  • only farmers who had lands in city or nearby are getting money by selling the lands, river is not limited to city - it flows from rural parts as well where there's no any boom in land prices and people still living on earnings based on farming.

    If you read news, you'll remember that farmers did a protest to get water from Khadakwasla dam to river to save their crops many times in past, and pune city has it's reserved share of water in Khadakwasla dam which cannot be given to others and vice versa that city cannot pump as much water as it needs from the dam.

    Why are we running away from core issue by looking at few scorpio chaps who are anyway waste of our society?
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  • That is what EC is all about. There are restrictions in place from where water can be extracted & how much. In so called agricultural & irrigation zones, development is not permitted. Nobody is extracting water from these areas by installing an unauthorized pump. I cannot comment on Lavasa but as a resident of a township, the EC is what matters to me most & for Blue Ridge, everything is spelled out clearly. EC is available on the PCMC website or you can look at it by visiting the Blue Ridge office.

    Purchasing water from tanker businesses is worse as it benefits the city officials and politicians not the farmers. If there were limits in place, so much development wouldn't have happened. Charging twice for water, one as a property tax and other through tanker business is a perfect money making model for the Govt.
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  • Originally Posted by investwest
    only farmers who had lands in city or nearby are getting money by selling the lands, river is not limited to city - it flows from rural parts as well where there's no any boom in land prices and people still living on earnings based on farming.

    If you read news, you'll remember that farmers did a protest to get water from Khadakwasla dam to river to save their crops many times in past, and pune city has it's reserved share of water in Khadakwasla dam which cannot be given to others and vice versa that city cannot pump as much water as it needs from the dam.

    Why are we running away from core issue by looking at few scorpio chaps who are anyway waste of our society?


    A small diversion here : profits of selling land is no longer limited to farmers near the city. Now days e commerce players like amazon , flipkart, ebay etc are paying big money to setup their warehouses and farmers are selling / renting like crazy.
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  • Originally Posted by ashwinrath
    A small diversion here : profits of selling land is no longer limited to farmers near the city. Now days e commerce players like amazon , flipkart, ebay etc are paying big money to setup their warehouses and farmers are selling / renting like crazy.


    well, i would like to have contact of any such big player who would like to rent my land which is 450 km from Pune and 400 Km from Mumbai..

    for your kind information, Amazon has warehouse in proximity of Mumbai, Pune and Nasik - that's at Bhandup.

    No big player is ready to rent in rural parts - look around and you'll find land available for sale at 4-5L per acre in Solapur, Satara and Kilkapur district has no buyers. Why don't you just google and learn the facts before trying to paint imaginary picture?
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  • Our cities and adjoining resources are under immense pressure due to multiple reasons
    - Lack of economic growth/Slow growth in the hinterland
    - Slower than expected emergence of suburbs
    - A general tendency for us as a people to cluster together in dense surroundings rather than letting cities spread (which probably also explains why our smaller towns also tend to be a lot more denser than elsewhere even though space shortage is less

    Since none of the above are going away any time soon, how do you solve for it? I wish I had the answer (If I had, I would have been a billionaire by now!)

    Having said that, putting blame for water shortage on townships is pointless - If anything, they make better use of available resources
    Due to tighter EC restrictions and stiff reuse/harvesting targets, a township will put less pressure on the natural resource (river) compared to the tremendous amount of wastage/pilferage that happens in municipality supplied water ..
    Of course, tanker supplied water is the worst in terms of environment and resource friendliness and is only good for the water supplier lobby

    Since you cannot simply wish away the population, the people residing in townships would have been living elsewhere in the vicinity with in all probability a higher carbon footprint than what they have in a township that follows environmentally sound practices (even at 80% compliance if not 100%)
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  • Originally Posted by pnq2012
    That is what EC is all about. There are restrictions in place from where water can be extracted & how much. In so called agricultural & irrigation zones, development is not permitted. Nobody is extracting water from these areas by installing an unauthorized pump. I cannot comment on Lavasa but as a resident of a township, the EC is what matters to me most & for Blue Ridge, everything is spelled out clearly. EC is available on the PCMC website or you can look at it by visiting the Blue Ridge office.

    Purchasing water from tanker businesses is worse as it benefits the city officials and politicians not the farmers. If there were limits in place, so much development wouldn't have happened. Charging twice for water, one as a property tax and other through tanker business is a perfect money making model for the Govt.


    Draining water for townships from river will definitely have adverse effect on farmers downstream the township. Is there a meter installed in this township to measure the quantity of water being drained up by the township from the river ?
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