Hi All ,

I hear that the Blue Ridge Phase II is not doing well. Anyone having any updates on this scheme? What is the possession date for phase II? Heard a lot of cancellations have been happening there any idea please update.

Thanks in advance.
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  • Originally Posted by pune_friend

    Divide and conquer.. history tells that's the way to win. Keep going ;)


    "Aundh will remain Aundh, Hinjewadi with golf course can't even come close to it."

    Geographical hierarchy ( reminiscent of cast-system ) is real and is paddled here (and elsewhere). :D
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  • Originally Posted by fatichar

    Some golf properties in Gurgaon are actually more costly than South Delhi counterparts. e.g. Aralias.

    There is a golf township in Greater Noida - Jaypee Greens. The rates there are 10k psf. While rates of Fully developed sectors in Noida, which are 20 to 25 km closer to Delhi, are 8k psf. Leave that, even rates of Golf facing flats in Noida, 20 km before Greater Noida, are 8k psf :)

    Ab batao.



    After reading so many posts, ek baat to jarur bata sakta hu.

    Forget about future, present of many fancy townships seems to be hinging on things like golf :D:D:D

    It does not matter whether golf is my life or not. But it surely is lifeline of these fancy townships. If there is no golf, world is going to end for them

    My latest discovery from all these posts is - roti, kapada aur makaan are no longer basic needs of a human being!!

    those are -

    "stolen" water and "paid" golf ;);)
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  • Originally Posted by pune_friend

    my latest discovery from all these posts is - roti, kapada aur makaan are no longer basic needs of a human being!!

    Those are -

    "stolen" water and "paid" golf ;);)


    tu ne mere muh se baat chhin lee ! ;)

    You expect me to go around everywhere in the tiny golf-cart ?
    I wish you at least added a nice car ! :-)
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  • Originally Posted by herohiralal

    Having a school so close to ones house is a major plus and people who work in Hinjewadi can save hrs travelling by staying in BR so there are lot of things going in favor of BR.

    Why do we think it should take hours of traveling ? If connectivity is done well, it should not take more than 5 to 20 minutes to reach HJ office from any part of (at least West) Pune.

    It is being kept in pathetic state exactly for the same reason. That new people are influenced to consider HJ and nearby areas.

    Originally Posted by herohiralal

    So what is the issue? Let people come and play golf and pay there. People buying a golf facing house are doing it mainly for the greenery like people buy a river facing or a sea facing house are doing it for the view.


    Hero, you seem to know a lot about current and future of RE in HJ. At times your posts look to be done when you have just come out of meeting with people for whom pune RE in general and HJ in particular is multi-million $ business ;);) (no offense meant !!)

    So why did PS decide to put paid golf course in place of original open area/bungalows. Which one of the following is strongest reason of the two reasons ?

    - Flats not selling. Can't sell bungalows. So better play with FSI to survive i.e. age old tactic of changing plan.

    - Competition from upcoming planned townships around including lodha (which would use golf as one of the marketing mantra)

    Which one, seriously, is the strongest, for tons of post about golf cropping up in BR forum, which never had the word golf till a few years back ;););)
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  • Originally Posted by pnq2012

    But the biggest threat to us is air pollution. And consumers tend to ignore this. Simple example is - area around Karve road. The rate/sq. feet is between 10,000 & 15,000. According to Maharashtra Pollution Control Board, Karve road is the most polluted area in Pune. Add noise pollution to it. Find me a nice spot in that area to go for a walk. Those who seriously go out for a walk, do that everyday & if that is the case, then you want a clean environment to do so. Unfortunately, walking is not on your priority list.


    I am not claiming that I am either a fan or anti-fan of any of the areas (karve rd or BR or whatever) but.

    do they have pollution and noise numbers for the road starting from highway all the way in hj ?

    In each locality, there will be lanes and by lanes that may be green and secluded even today despite all the traffic on main road :)

    Any locality that has pre-defined layout with identified roads, community areas etc. is a potential candidate for remaining in good share despite development all around. It is not necessary that it has to be a fancy township. And btw, one can not take a walk in golf course even if one has paid money for membership. So use whatever else is left for walk ;););)
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  • Originally Posted by pnq2012

    But the biggest threat to us is air pollution. And consumers tend to ignore this. Simple example is - area around Karve road. The rate/sq. feet is between 10,000 & 15,000. According to Maharashtra Pollution Control Board, Karve road is the most polluted area in Pune. Add noise pollution to it. Find me a nice spot in that area to go for a walk. Those who seriously go out for a walk, do that everyday & if that is the case, then you want a clean environment to do so. Unfortunately, walking is not on your priority list.


    Well, no need to go further, read from horse's mouth ->

    Here's an address most would love to have.A penthouse that boasts amazing interiors,stunning terrace-garden,swimming pool and all this located right in the heart of the city on Bhandarkar Road.
    The residence of Shashank Paranjape,one of the leading names among high-end homemakers,is a coveted and spacious place."The most special aspect of this home is the fact that it was built in 1995 and at that point,the concept of a terrace garden and swimming pool in a penthouse was radically novel.I have memories of people coming home to take a closer look at its architectural and conceptual innovation,"says Amit,his son.

    The Paranjapes' residence is located in the prime-most area,Deccan Gymkhana,and is yet peacefully nestled emanating serenity and panache.

    Read more with photos (not from BR :D:D)

    http://lite.epaper.timesofindia.com/.aspx?article=yes&pageid=36§id=edid=&edlabel=TOIPU&mydateHid=27-05-2012&pubname=&edname=&articleid=Ar03602&publabel=TOI
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  • no doubt Bhandarkar road & Prabhat road is the best place to live but how many of us can afford

    also not sure if many detracters of BR have ever visted that else a childish statement that since one cant walk in GF there is hardly any other space left

    Please go and see already built lay-out yourself specially walk area on river bed...plantation is going on in entire area including podiums

    in fact plantation & landscpae of Megapolis is even better than BR and easily matching to Mahindra Woods in wakad
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  • Originally Posted by pune_friend
    I am not claiming that I am either a fan or anti-fan of any of the areas (karve rd or BR or whatever) but.

    do they have pollution and noise numbers for the road starting from highway all the way in hj ?

    In each locality, there will be lanes and by lanes that may be green and secluded even today despite all the traffic on main road :)

    Any locality that has pre-defined layout with identified roads, community areas etc. is a potential candidate for remaining in good share despite development all around. It is not necessary that it has to be a fancy township. And btw, one can not take a walk in golf course even if one has paid money for membership. So use whatever else is left for walk ;););)


    You have probably not visited BR or haven't looked at the layout. BR is secluded from the main Hinjewadi road & the traffic. That was my concern too when I booked the flat but the place is extremely quiet except for the construction within the area. Fortunately, the construction sites are far away from the completed towers & that won't be a lingering problem like Pune traffic.

    Firstly, I did not book at BR for the golf course. I already gave my reasons in previous threads. In any case, you don't need to use the golf course to walk - there will be a separate track for jogging and walking. And even if that is not made available, there is ample space to walk on the podiums above the parking lots or by the river area.

    It is interesting that people (not specifically you, pune_friend) find reasons to bad mouth BR. I welcome opinions, pros and cons of living in BR but based on some responses, I see that they are personal attacks either on BR or Paranjape Schemes. My point is - show me a project similar to BR at an affordable rate in a better location & I will be willing to take a look at it. There may be few in areas like Aundh or Baner but possibly at high rates. I have many relatives who live in the city and have expensive properties but whenever I visit them, I cannot escape the chaos on the roads and the pollution. Those are some of the reasons that made me look elsewhere. Plus, I don't live for daily socializing. Those days are over for me. With kids growing up, we want to concentrate more on them & socialize on weekends.
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  • Originally Posted by pune_friend
    After reading so many posts, ek baat to jarur bata sakta hu.

    Forget about future, present of many fancy townships seems to be hinging on things like golf :D:D:D

    It does not matter whether golf is my life or not. But it surely is lifeline of these fancy townships. If there is no golf, world is going to end for them

    My latest discovery from all these posts is - roti, kapada aur makaan are no longer basic needs of a human being!!

    those are -

    "stolen" water and "paid" golf ;);)


    Superb thought process. Another discovery expected from your brain is - making calls and sending SMS are no longer the basic features of a phone.

    those are -

    "stolen" features and "paid apps
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  • Originally Posted by pune_friend

    "stolen" water and "paid" golf ;);)


    Why stolen ?
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  • I bought a flat in BR around 2.5 years back. My main consideration at that time was my office commute. This was after I used to spend 20-30 minutes in hinjewadi traffic even when I was on the bike. Enough was enough, I decided and went for it.

    Now when I look back at it, things have changed. I got admission in a MBA school, spent 2 years there and now am back at work - not in Pune, but in Hyderabad. But would I have done anything differently? No!

    Even at that time, everyone kept talking about the RE bubble and how rates are too high.

    In Hyderabad I live in a society which is quite similar to BR. It does not have a golf course or a boat club but it has everything else that one can ask for. Every time a friend visits me, he falls in love with the society and asks if there are any vacancy and they can move in there. In the evening the kids create a din in the society playing around in the parks. The whole atmosphere feels so lively. I can imagine that happening very easily in BR given the kind of township it is.

    Just wanted to share my positive feelings. Gracias.
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  • Originally Posted by Baruch
    no doubt Bhandarkar road & Prabhat road is the best place to live but how many of us can afford


    It is not about affordability. It was in response to some other posts talking about some central areas having lot of pollution and people were wondering why one should pay certain rate which is higher than BR (and instead not opting for BR ??).

    Basic thing is - BR and these other areas are two different locations. I am sure Paranjape himself also goes for a walk and looks for a green cover. And sees lots of other benefit of staying where he is. So there is no need to compare and conclude why people pay certain rate at a certain location solely based on a few (misunderstood) points. This is not to justify or criticize any scheme in central area or BR.

    Originally Posted by Baruch

    also not sure if many detracters of BR have ever visted that else a childish statement that since one cant walk in GF there is hardly any other space left

    lease go and see already built lay-out yourself specially walk area on river bed...plantation is going on in entire area including podiums


    Even a 3 acre scheme can have a walking area. There can be common roads that may have better walkway than a 1000 acre scheme.

    If 100+ acres scheme does not have walking facility, then which scheme will have it?

    Point was - large amount of golf course area which is being talked about so much (in BR or any scheme) is not usable for walking. So lets not confuse amount of walking area available to be in proportion to 100+ acres.

    After building 25 storey towers and not having freely available common central area for all residents, if there is some good arrangement for walking, there is no surprise. It's good. Or it is great. Who is saying it is not !! It does not make anyone detractor of a scheme.

    And who knows, other people who are writing on this forum and thread may be more knowledgeable about state of things in BR (or whichever schemes/areas they express their views about). So let's not make assumptions and call people detractors just like that
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  • Originally Posted by pune_friend
    Why do we think it should take hours of traveling ? If connectivity is done well, it should not take more than 5 to 20 minutes to reach HJ office from any part of (at least West) Pune.


    It is being kept in pathetic state exactly for the same reason. That new people are influenced to consider HJ and nearby areas.



    so you mean paranjape is not letting connectivity to get developed so that BR sells more than yutikha and model colony project? avinash bhosale has some interest in not getting connectivity done cause he want to sell megapolis so bad that he is ready to sacrifice all the gains proper connectivity will bring to other area??

    if things were done properly we wouldn't have corruption, crime and high re rates. i am talking about ground reality not some utopian dream and how how can profit from reality instead of waiting for some saviour to come down from heaven or some village in maharashtra and solve our problems ;)


    Hero, you seem to know a lot about current and future of RE in HJ. At times your posts look to be done when you have just come out of meeting with people for whom pune RE in general and HJ in particular is multi-million $ business ;);) (no offense meant !!)

    So why did PS decide to put paid golf course in place of original open area/bungalows. Which one of the following is strongest reason of the two reasons ?

    - Flats not selling. Can't sell bungalows. So better play with FSI to survive i.e. age old tactic of changing plan.

    - Competition from upcoming planned townships around including lodha (which would use golf as one of the marketing mantra)

    Which one, seriously, is the strongest, for tons of post about golf cropping up in BR forum, which never had the word golf till a few years back ;););)


    No one is going to buy bungalows surrounded by 22 tall buildings :) so the original plan was a non-starter. its pure business isnt it. u cant charge lakhs for a garden membership but u can charge lakhs for a golf membership.

    I used to work in hinjewadi for 5 yrs and have stayed in pune for 30 yrs and have spent my youth in and around aundh and baner so know these places better than most but i am not part of any scheme/organisation trying to sell hinjewadi and BR and if the data and my analysis changes I wont shy away from saying HJ and BR are no longer good investments.
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  • Originally Posted by herohiralal
    so you mean paranjape is not letting connectivity to get developed so that BR sells more than yutikha and model colony project? avinash bhosale has some interest in not getting connectivity done cause he want to sell megapolis so bad that he is ready to sacrifice all the gains proper connectivity will bring to other area??

    if things were done properly we wouldn't have corruption, crime and high re rates. i am talking about ground reality not some utopian dream and how how can profit from reality instead of waiting for some saviour to come down from heaven or some village in maharashtra and solve our problems ;)


    My post quoted in bold the words from your post that are repeated again below.

    people who work in Hinjewadi can save hrs travelling by staying in BR so there are lot of things going in favor of BR.

    Now responding to your post.
    No. It is not about PS or AB not letting things happen. It is about picking an area with one thing (jobs in this case) and planning money making RE business around it. It is not PS or AB to start with, but a much different set of people including those who take decisions about setting up such business hubs (e.g. it park), have control to provide/not provide/defer infra, take policy decisions etc. about much larger territory, which is pune/pcmc etc.

    RE (like many other businesses), is a combination of opportunity creation, grabbing, pricing and control. It involves relative pricing so controlling development/pricing/connectivity of other areas is a critical factor.

    You need some key element which will make people come to a location that was a barren land to begin with. In this case, it/bt park was a very valid and a good reason.

    Next, you need to make people shift here. This is not so easy.
    - First is jobs/companies - You give tax breaks, fsi and other incentives, so they come. They do crib about infra, but if you provide them as good/little less infra compared to what they may be able to get at competitive locations (across india), they will come. Infra around can remain bad for a while. Its ok.

    Most challenging is to make people shift to new place as their residence where no one has been living before. Now things become interesting

    Those who want to rent out, would do it at any place that works best for them. And closest to work may be a good option for them depending on phase of life, whether all members work in same area and other aspects. For them, BR or similar schemes may be a boon. But those are not the people who would buy house, so count those out as you are an investor and would be finally looking to sell your house to someone at latest highest asking price.

    There may be investors who are always driven by vision and will to make money rather than need to live. So they will anyway not shift there (they may even be owning home and living in area which now has high noise and pollution levels ;)). So count them out.

    Not everyone who works in HJ is outsider. Many may already own a home in pune/pcmc areas. Count those out.


    Those who are new to city or need to buy new home (as paternal one has outgrown the need or for individual freedom), would consider all the options that are feasible. In developed countries, people travel miles and miles to their workplace. In mumbai, people travel hours (not that these always represent good lifestyle but this is true).

    It is not always possible to find best match of area where you want to live (as your home), job location of all members in family and it's change from time to time, school of your liking/interest/budget, kind of social surrounding, kind of infrastructure, (noise and pollution level, quality of water ;)) etc.

    So essentially, home buying (or even deciding not to buy a specific one) is a compromise on some things. Many may opt to buy where it is closer/connected to their existing roots or where they feel comfortable in a new city. They may compromise on some things and accept some travel time/hassle as one of those.


    Leaving aside many other aspects to avoid making this a huge post. But if one could live where one wants to, can work out all other aspects around and spend acceptable amount of daily traveling time to and fro without any danger/risk to life, then one would not mind not living away from BR or Magarpatta or Talawade or Chakan or whichever is the job hub for the person.

    If travel becomes manageable, what pressing reason would a person have to buy home close/in the job hub ?

    Even after 10+ years of existence and thousands of acres of land acquisition, things remain worst for lakhs of people and people do not think they love the location of their work. Some of the things that clearly contradict (i can understand for municipality but even for midc etc.)

    - It is possible to acquire 1000s of acres of land despite protests (google search maangaon protests). It is not possible to do so for patch of 2 kms ?

    - It is possible to plan (and hopefully implement :D) "chakachak" 100+ acres' townships. And tons of them are doable. But business hub of 1000s of acres with lakhs of people working and generating billions of tax revenue can not be planned properly ? Do we really lack architecture capabilities or something else is cooking ?;)


    - Fly overs can be implemented where not needed for private township that does not have any jobs, but nothing can be implemented for continuous, smooth plying of lakhs of job going people ??


    - For lakhs of people, all you can have are tumtums or cabs ? For high paying white collar job workers (whom everyone wants to sell home/education/gadgets at high prices), can't there be sustainable, eco-friendly and reasonably priced transport ?


    - Add to all - finally, how many home units are going to be built in HJ so that distance is walkable - say 20K or 30K (well i don't know the numbers so correct as needed) ?

    Why all the fuss to attract people to own their own home for end living purposes just so that builders can make money and investors can book profit for such a small number of residences :(

    This location is best suited for houses to be given on rent at affordable price (mix of value for money, decent living and service apt kind of renting). Mixing high density job hub with small % of pure end use residences may make sense for builder and investors.

    But it does not make sense for most end buyers, if they have other alternatives.


    Originally Posted by herohiralal

    No one is going to buy bungalows surrounded by 22 tall buildings :) so the original plan was a non-starter. its pure business isnt it. u cant charge lakhs for a garden membership but u can charge lakhs for a golf membership.

    Thanks for your candid views. At least no one will call me out as detractor as it came from you.

    It sure may be beneficial to builder, but what is the use to end users. These end users did not buy at BR for resort-like living (as some nearby scheme advertises). Now they are trapped into confused identity of their scheme that is neither resort-like nor basic (as in existing old set areas) :D


    Originally Posted by herohiralal

    I used to work in hinjewadi for 5 yrs and have stayed in pune for 30 yrs and have spent my youth in and around aundh and baner so know these places better than most but i am not part of any scheme/organisation trying to sell hinjewadi and BR and if the data and my analysis changes I wont shy away from saying HJ and BR are no longer good investments.


    That's why I mentioned in my earlier post - no offense meant !!

    With cartel marketing and relative pricing, valuation of any city/area can be increased. With business and life of so many people/companies from top to bottom tied to sentiment about pune in general and their locations of interest in particular, any thing can happen in terms of asking price.

    Anyone who is an investor, can use vision and take a call ;) End buyer sure needs to be watchful.

    In business, there can be profit or loss. Till now, RE business is being manipulated so that it defies above common sense.

    But who knows, what is in store tomorrow. Throw dice based on your own call ;););)
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