Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Builders & Real Estate Bulls Theory Proved Wrong

Collapse
X
Collapse

Builders & Real Estate Bulls Theory Proved Wrong

Last updated: November 1 2016
12768 | Posts
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Re : Builders & Real Estate Bulls Theory Proved Wrong

    Originally posted by Venkytalks View Post
    http://www.prlog.org/10604008-purava...ing-plant.html

    Prefabricated housing ha the potential to reduce building costs by 30% and improve construction quality at the same time - also reduce labour costs which are rising with NREGA and inflation.

    If a cement biggie like Birla latches on to it, it can be a game changer in Indian construction. Unfortunately Tata has sold its cement business, otherwise they would have been perfect - Nano housing!

    Some of the prefab Singapore housing is amazing. Building goes up in weeks.
    What kind of technology is it ? Is it similar to aluform technology (Originaly from beigium) used by Naiknavare which uses RCC walls with loadbearing avoiding bricks. ?

    Comment


    • Re : Builders & Real Estate Bulls Theory Proved Wrong

      This concept does not go well with the typical indian mentality ie.. a house made of bricks & mortar.



      Originally posted by Venkytalks View Post
      http://www.prlog.org/10604008-purava...ing-plant.html

      Prefabricated housing ha the potential to reduce building costs by 30% and improve construction quality at the same time - also reduce labour costs which are rising with NREGA and inflation.

      If a cement biggie like Birla latches on to it, it can be a game changer in Indian construction. Unfortunately Tata has sold its cement business, otherwise they would have been perfect - Nano housing!

      Some of the prefab Singapore housing is amazing. Building goes up in weeks.
      Download our Android App! | Please Read IREF Rules | FAQ's

      Comment


      • Re : Builders & Real Estate Bulls Theory Proved Wrong

        Originally posted by mahesh pune View Post
        What kind of technology is it ? Is it similar to aluform technology (Originaly from beigium) used by Naiknavare which uses RCC walls with loadbearing avoiding bricks. ?
        It just uses iron rods and cement - forms for making beams to standard sizes are used. There are joining iron spikes for bolting the beams together. The beams are made in the factory, rather than on site. Similarly, floor plates are manufactured in the factory. These are carried to the site on trucks, lifted by cranes and joined together to make the RC beam structure of the foundation and the framework. Joints are reinforced with on-site cement and voila - the RC frame is ready. Fill in the brick work, plaster it and finish the fitting - building takes just a few months to make.

        Delhi metro uses similar technique, except the design and size are gigantic and high tech.

        This kind of mass production are routine for building in the west and in south east Asia. The height of the crane determines what height you reach.

        Mass production will make sense in India if the labour cost keeps going higher and capital cost goes higher - this way you save on labour and quick finishing makes the capital costs some 30% lower.

        I have been waiting for this to come to India for over 10 years now. No signs of it - our builders dont want to build efficiently, they want to delay and hood wink and bilk their customers.

        Only someone like Tata will do it.
        Venky (Please read watch a or before posting)

        Comment


        • Re : Builders & Real Estate Bulls Theory Proved Wrong

          A closet bear?

          Originally posted by realacres View Post
          Here is a nice opinion-editorial page of IE. The extract has been taken from New York Times (NYT), written by Paul Krugman. It just shows how we have learnt nothing from our past mistakes & coming out of this mess is going to be a lot tougher than that of 1930s.

          * Please read this neutrally, without seeing a bull or bear here. My humble request.

          http://www.indianexpress.com/news/th...e-dip/678129/0

          Btw, HDFC has increased lending rates by 50 bps or 0.50%.


          Real,

          You don't have to be a closet bear. Cme up and join me in the open!

          Just kidding!

          Btw, Krugman is losing a lot of credibility now-a-days!

          cheers

          Comment


          • Re : Builders & Real Estate Bulls Theory Proved Wrong

            Originally posted by wiseman View Post
            Real,

            Btw, Krugman is losing a lot of credibility now-a-days!

            cheers
            I could not agree more on this. All his opinions expressed in NYT from last year are biased and pro-democratic thinking instead of economic rational.

            Comment


            • Re : Builders & Real Estate Bulls Theory Proved Wrong

              Originally posted by frugality View Post
              well

              -US visa fee raise is specific to Indian IT companies.

              -UK super bug named on New Delhi..

              -China's IT Challenge

              In a move that could upset the Indian outsourcing industry's robust growth so far, China has announced operating tax exemption for its outsourcing businesses till 2013. The exemption, which will benefit Chinese companies in 21 cities, is in line with China's aggressive campaign to emerge as the top outsourcing destination in Asia.

              http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/h...ow/6301403.cms

              This is when there is no recession in World ... what will happen later

              if 'IT outsourced jobs' are halved by US by some new law what will happen it Indian IT youths ?

              Or US jobless IT professionals are given option to work in India ?


              And EVM tampered ???
              http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...ow/6284330.cms
              Another setback for IT

              http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...ow/6521490.cms

              Ohio bans outsourcing of IT projects


              .................the development is expected to hurt Indian companies such as Infosys, Wipro, and Patni, which routinely win multi-million dollar state-level government contracts. Sharp reactions to Strickland's move from Infosys and India's IT lobbying group Nasscom suggested that Ohio had struck India Inc where it hurts, and there is concern in India about whether other states will follow suit.


              ------------------------------------------------------------

              Wall Street Firms to Cut 80,000 Jobs in 18 Months, Whitney Says


              http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...tney-says.html

              Last edited by frugality; September 9 2010, 02:09 AM.

              Comment


              • Re : Builders & Real Estate Bulls Theory Proved Wrong

                Finally, out of the crib into real world ...

                Originally posted by frugality View Post
                Another setback for IT

                http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...ow/6521490.cms

                Ohio bans outsourcing of IT projects


                .................the development is expected to hurt Indian companies such as Infosys, Wipro, and Patni, which routinely win multi-million dollar state-level government contracts. Sharp reactions to Strickland's move from Infosys and India's IT lobbying group Nasscom suggested that Ohio had struck India Inc where it hurts, and there is concern in India about whether other states will follow suit.


                ------------------------------------------------------------

                Wall Street Firms to Cut 80,000 Jobs in 18 Months, Whitney Says


                http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...tney-says.html


                The Indian IT baby (which was spoon-fed for far too long) is finally waking up to the real world.

                Others are out-arbitraging us and we have been bottle fed for so long (I can understand tax break when you are a 100 crores industry and the country needs $$$, but still when you are a 200,000 crores industry?!!) that it is unable to get up and walk.

                The timing is such that we are entering a global slowdown/contraction in the business cycle which will make it all the more painful. I expect some serious pay cuts and "productivity improvements" where our " engineers" finally learn what it is to make world-class products.

                I recently read a report (probably brought out for the first time) that in the last 1 year, over 140 product firms have shut shop, a significant part from the Telecom-focus area. We have a VERY LONG WAY TO GO to become world class in actual development (I mean not throwing large numbers of low-cost, low-quality bodies at producing seriously bug-ridden code).

                Everytime a report like this comes out, you get a standard response ... "it will not affect us much", which is the most asinine thing I have seen, like a Govt bereaucratic response to any crisis. One response to any and all issues whatever it may be!

                But out industry leadership (same guys who went through the same bug-ridden path to leadership) seems to be wallowing in the model of the 1990s and seems to have no clue as to how to address the future challenges - barring a few exceptional companies that do.

                cheers
                Last edited by wiseman; September 9 2010, 10:24 AM.

                Comment


                • Re : Builders & Real Estate Bulls Theory Proved Wrong

                  Originally posted by frugality View Post
                  Another setback for IT

                  http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...ow/6521490.cms

                  Ohio bans outsourcing of IT projects


                  .................the development is expected to hurt Indian companies such as Infosys, Wipro, and Patni, which routinely win multi-million dollar state-level government contracts. Sharp reactions to Strickland's move from Infosys and India's IT lobbying group Nasscom suggested that Ohio had struck India Inc where it hurts, and there is concern in India about whether other states will follow suit.


                  ------------------------------------------------------------

                  Wall Street Firms to Cut 80,000 Jobs in 18 Months, Whitney Says


                  http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...tney-says.html



                  More Bad news
                  http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ow/6523137.cms
                  Obama to check incentives to invest in overseas jobs




                  Originally posted by wiseman View Post
                  The Indian IT baby (which was spoon-fed for far too long) is finally waking up to the real world.

                  Others are out-arbitraging us and we have been bottle fed for so long (I can understand tax break when you are a 100 crores industry and the country needs $$$, but still when you are a 200,000 crores industry?!!) that it is unable to get up and walk.

                  The timing is such that we are entering a global slowdown/contraction in the business cycle which will make it all the more painful. I expect some serious pay cuts and "productivity improvements" where our " engineers" finally learn what it is to make world-class products.

                  I recently read a report (probably brought out for the first time) that in the last 1 year, over 140 product firms have shut shop, a significant part from the Telecom-focus area. We have a VERY LONG WAY TO GO to become world class in actual development (I mean not throwing large numbers of low-cost, low-quality bodies at producing seriously bug-ridden code).

                  Everytime a report like this comes out, you get a standard response ... "it will not affect us much", which is the most asinine thing I have seen, like a Govt bereaucratic response to any crisis. One response to any and all issues whatever it may be!

                  But out industry leadership (same guys who went through the same bug-ridden path to leadership) seems to be wallowing in the model of the 1990s and seems to have no clue as to how to address the future challenges - barring a few exceptional companies that do.

                  cheers
                  The whole system needs revamp ... like research focused ...
                  Have we written any language/Standards on Indian shores?
                  Very few ... some maybe in Intel.

                  Comment


                  • Re : Builders & Real Estate Bulls Theory Proved Wrong

                    Originally posted by Venkytalks View Post
                    It just uses iron rods and cement - forms for making beams to standard sizes are used. There are joining iron spikes for bolting the beams together. The beams are made in the factory, rather than on site. Similarly, floor plates are manufactured in the factory. These are carried to the site on trucks, lifted by cranes and joined together to make the RC beam structure of the foundation and the framework. Joints are reinforced with on-site cement and voila - the RC frame is ready. Fill in the brick work, plaster it and finish the fitting - building takes just a few months to make.

                    Delhi metro uses similar technique, except the design and size are gigantic and high tech.

                    This kind of mass production are routine for building in the west and in south east Asia. The height of the crane determines what height you reach.
                    There are probs in this methods:-
                    1. As you said, height can be only till where the crane can reach,
                    2. No mod can be done internally/externally like changes in window or doors as the walls bear the weight,
                    3. If some chap messes with the walls while doing some interior work, all residents need to worry,
                    4. Elevation from outside looks very pale as you can't finish & have design like in case of concrete. So, no fancy elevations.
                    I have seen cos like Saint Gobain have ventured into pre-fab gypsum walls. Here, plank like plywood is taken, covered with gypsum on both sides & then put under pressure & heated. This reduces cost by 30%, time reduces by 30-32% & load is decreased by whopping 7-8 times compared to regular brick walls. Now here is the trap:- If water is able to seep inside the gypsum, it damages the ply inside which leads to termite attack. So, the termites can eat up the entire wall. This though has been used in T3 terminal of Delhi Airport opened recently so as to speed up the work.
                    If you are happy, you are successful.

                    Comment


                    • Re : Builders & Real Estate Bulls Theory Proved Wrong

                      Originally posted by realacres View Post
                      There are probs in this methods:-
                      1. As you said, height can be only till where the crane can reach,
                      2. No mod can be done internally/externally like changes in window or doors as the walls bear the weight,
                      3. If some chap messes with the walls while doing some interior work, all residents need to worry,
                      4. Elevation from outside looks very pale as you can't finish & have design like in case of concrete. So, no fancy elevations.
                      I have seen cos like Saint Gobain have ventured into pre-fab gypsum walls. Here, plank like plywood is taken, covered with gypsum on both sides & then put under pressure & heated. This reduces cost by 30%, time reduces by 30-32% & load is decreased by whopping 7-8 times compared to regular brick walls. Now here is the trap:- If water is able to seep inside the gypsum, it damages the ply inside which leads to termite attack. So, the termites can eat up the entire wall. This though has been used in T3 terminal of Delhi Airport opened recently so as to speed up the work.
                      Those methods you talk about are meant to reduce cost, weight and construction time further.

                      You can build the beams and brick in the spaces also - it is just that beams are made off-site rather than on-site. Finish will be same as current high rises - but construction is faster. But construction is highly mechanised and not dependent on manual labour - you can reduce labor to about 1/10th, but they need to be skilled and well trained - cost of labour is around 1/2

                      Most concrete buildings made in China have off site beam casting nowadays.
                      Last edited by Venkytalks; September 9 2010, 12:53 PM.
                      Venky (Please read watch a or before posting)

                      Comment

                      Tags: None
                      Have any questions or thoughts about this?
                      Working...
                      X