In most of the current flat purchases that we have across Pune we end up paying 100% of the balcony area which is a significant amount

At the same time the area of the bedrooms has been reducing.

So any one has experimented with changing their balcony into part of the bedroom (atleast children's bedroom) in such a way that it becomes part of a liveable area and as an open area too - For example, if you have sliding windows mounted onto a grill kept on a balcony then this can be rolled down on all the sides of the balcony to have an 'open' feeling and at the same time mounted back to make it a part of the bedroom.. something on these lines..

Any idea? :bab (2):
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  • balcony

    Originally Posted by kalzav
    In most of the current flat purchases that we have across Pune we end up paying 100% of the balcony area which is a significant amount

    At the same time the area of the bedrooms has been reducing.

    So any one has experimented with changing their balcony into part of the bedroom (atleast children's bedroom) in such a way that it becomes part of a liveable area and as an open area too - For example, if you have sliding windows mounted onto a grill kept on a balcony then this can be rolled down on all the sides of the balcony to have an 'open' feeling and at the same time mounted back to make it a part of the bedroom.. something on these lines..

    Any idea? :bab (2):

    Use of balcony will be restricted as per the agreement entered with builder.
    Ideas for use of balcony with approval of society /builder is a useful device to increase utility and ways must be explored to make full use of open spaces,considering 30 % loading of area and 100% charges by builder.
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  • Originally Posted by vaibav123
    Use of balcony will be restricted as per the agreement entered with builder.
    Ideas for use of balcony with approval of society /builder is a useful device to increase utility and ways must be explored to make full use of open spaces,considering 30 % loading of area and 100% charges by builder.

    While on topic,
    When a balcony of 100 sq ft is provided, how much FSI is consumed from available FSI ?

    We are charged it as 130 sq ft, but how much of FSI is consumed for buidler ?

    Are balcony and terrace two different things ? Do calculations differ for them ?
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  • Originally Posted by pune_friend
    While on topic,
    When a balcony of 100 sq ft is provided, how much FSI is consumed from available FSI ?

    We are charged it as 130 sq ft, but how much of FSI is consumed for buidler ?

    Are balcony and terrace two different things ? Do calculations differ for them ?


    As per my understanding these areas (terrace and dry balcony) are still considered free of FSI in Pune. But only for Mumbai city the DCR rules were changed recently for mumbai as given below. It is not unlikely that Pune will follow Mumbai rules soner or later.

    "The Maharashtra government, in a bid to provide level playing field to developers and reduce arbitrary decision-making, has amended the development control regulations ( DCRs) for the state capital city.

    According to the DCR amendments, balconies, flower beds, terraces, voids and niches would be counted in the floor space index ( FSI). To compensate for the loss of free-of-FSI areas, fungible FSI to the extent of 35 per cent for residential development and 20 per cent for industrial and commercial developments has been allowed with premium.

    Fungible FSI would be available at 60 percent premium for residential, 80 percent for industrial and 100 per cent for commercial at the ready recknor (RR) rates. It can be used for making flower-beds or voids; else used for constructing bigger habitable areas."
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  • Originally Posted by kalzav
    In most of the current flat purchases that we have across Pune we end up paying 100% of the balcony area which is a significant amount

    At the same time the area of the bedrooms has been reducing.

    So any one has experimented with changing their balcony into part of the bedroom (atleast children's bedroom) in such a way that it becomes part of a liveable area and as an open area too - For example, if you have sliding windows mounted onto a grill kept on a balcony then this can be rolled down on all the sides of the balcony to have an 'open' feeling and at the same time mounted back to make it a part of the bedroom.. something on these lines..

    Any idea? :bab (2):


    I have seen a person who has covered balcony with awning and kept the dining table there. This gives him big area for drawing room. Tough this can't be implemented if your balcony is very airy or it is too close to a neighboring building.
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  • Originally Posted by pune_friend
    While on topic,
    When a balcony of 100 sq ft is provided, how much FSI is consumed from available FSI ?

    We are charged it as 130 sq ft, but how much of FSI is consumed for buidler ?

    Are balcony and terrace two different things ? Do calculations differ for them ?


    Assuming that 80% is the actual flat carpet area and 20% for balconies/terrace builder charges 30% loading making salable 130%.

    Whereas actual FSI consumed by builder is 80% only.
    Thereby actal loading for which buyer pays is more than 60%.

    Thats why new govt rule in mumbai ,so Govt can extract their pound of flesh from buyers via builders.
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  • Originally Posted by kalzav
    In most of the current flat purchases that we have across Pune we end up paying 100% of the balcony area which is a significant amount

    At the same time the area of the bedrooms has been reducing.

    So any one has experimented with changing their balcony into part of the bedroom (atleast children's bedroom) in such a way that it becomes part of a liveable area and as an open area too - For example, if you have sliding windows mounted onto a grill kept on a balcony then this can be rolled down on all the sides of the balcony to have an 'open' feeling and at the same time mounted back to make it a part of the bedroom.. something on these lines..

    Any idea? :bab (2):


    Even I am thinking of this. I have asked the builder about it. But builder replied you can't do this as if PMC observe this, there will be penalty for builder as well as person who does it so as per PMC it is not allowed. Builder said as this project is under construction there will be PMC officer visit regularly so chances of getting caught is more. If any construction is found in balcony, the construction will be demolished.

    Builder said once society is formed you can take permission from society & construct what you want.

    What do you think about this guys? Should I take a chance do something like what kalzav has mentioned above?
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  • Originally Posted by kalzav
    In most of the current flat purchases that we have across Pune we end up paying 100% of the balcony area which is a significant amount


    Any idea? :bab (2):



    Well, Kal....
    BALCONIES HUD BE RESERVED FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES , in case of FIRE,and all.
    I dis-agree with points u made to use as Kids room,

    HERE are few clips I attach you , very useful for VIEWER/READERS...;)
    Curtsey's; Home decorating trends- Interior design & Architecture inspiration

    A balcony and terrace are both very integral parts of an architectural plan; and any house or building is as such incomplete without them. They form the open space of a house which connects the interiors with the outside world. These open areas can be used for many recreational purposes such as sports, work-outs, parties etc. They also serve as private spaces where one can leisurely sip the morning tea whilst watching the sunrise, or sit back and unwind after a long and hectic day.

    ;
    Although a balcony and terrace serve almost similar purposes, there are a lot of differences between the two. The most glaring difference is that terraces are usually much bigger in area than balconies, which is a major factor that determines the end uses of the space. However, before getting into the differences between a modern day terrace and balcony it’s important to first understand their independent place in an architectural design.

    Understanding Terraces-
    A terrace is a raised flat area which stands on the top most surface of all the stories of a building. The word ‘terrace’ is derived from the Latin word meaning ‘Earth’, indicating the fact that a mound of earth needs to be built in order to build a terrace.




    Terraces have come to serve many functions in the modern times. Beautiful terrace gardens cultivated with invigorating plants and flowers are increasingly becoming popular in urban cities, Building a terrace garden can be extremely fulfilling if you are passionate about gardening. Besides, they are your own private haven of natural beauty where you can be at peace with yourself. You can also install a Jacuzzi or a small pool in your terrace to enhance its usability.
    However, not every building allows access to the terrace. And in the ones one can access the terrace, the top most storeys sell out for much more than any other floor. This is because the resident can use the terrace in whatever way he fancies, giving him a lot more usable space.
    Understanding Balconies-
    The word ‘Balcony’ comes from the Italian word ‘Balcone’ which means a large window. A balcony is an elevated platform extending from the wall of a building. It is usually a small area with a railing and can be attached to any of the rooms of a house.

    Due to their small size balconies usually do not find as many uses as terraces. However they have their own importance as they act as an interface between the house and the outdoor surroundings. A room without a balcony often makes one feel confined and stuffy. A balcony attached to your room not only gives you a good view but also makes for an airy and comfortable environment.
    Balconies make for an excellent “extension” to a room. Many people keep putted plants to give it a greener look. Many even grow creepers along the railings to try and get a small green patch in to their apartments. However, a balcony attached to the kitchen can also be used for utilitarian purposes, i.e. keeping your dishwasher, washing machine and any other appliance you may not be able to use more effectively in the house.
    Difference between Terraces and Balconies-
    A terrace is an entirely open and large space on the top most level of a building, whereas balconies are relatively smaller areas affixed to a room of the house. A balcony may or may not be covered depending upon the construction of the house. Some balconies extend much further than the periphery of the plot and are hence open spaces; others are contained within the framework of a house with a covering on the top.
    Balconies are accessible only through the room that they are attached with and terraces will usually have independent entrances. However, it is not always necessary that a proper staircase would lead to a terrace. Many terraces might just have a fire escape as an access point.
    Lastly, a balcony can be easily covered using glass whereas it is not possible to cover a terrace without a floor plan signed by authority.


    Have a nice NIGHT....:D with Good View on Balcony....
    savvy_v:)
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  • Originally Posted by Bjforu
    Even I am thinking of this. I have asked the builder about it. But builder replied you can't do this as if PMC observe this, there will be penalty for builder as well as person who does it so as per PMC it is not allowed. Builder said as this project is under construction there will be PMC officer visit regularly so chances of getting caught is more. If any construction is found in balcony, the construction will be demolished.

    Builder said once society is formed you can take permission from society & construct what you want.

    What do you think about this guys? Should I take a chance do something like what kalzav has mentioned above?


    What the heck dude!! You pay 100% of the balcony area and still need to take permission for what does not in any way impact your neighbours

    :bab (3): the rules :bab (36):

    Govt, builder everyone is hell bent on squeezing out the buyer :bab (58):

    This means that its better to go for apartments which have lesser balcony area (in the sense not so big) so that in case of resale this doesn't become a -ve factor
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  • use of balcony

    The use of balcony as a covered space needs to be approached cautiously. Various flat owners will put up designs of different nature spoiling the outlook and elevation of building if not regulated properly.
    Many builders clearly put in restrictive covenants on use of balcony. For eg no use of washing machine or washing of vessels etc.Some flat owners use washing machines and water mixed with washing powder freely flows on the roadside or society premisses making it slippery for two wheelers.Similarly washing vessels results in food particles flowing on to the building sides giving unhygienic look.
    Many people use balcony for kitchen gardens resulting in seepage and inconvenience to flat owners staying below with water dripping down at times..
    Also we must keep in mind that heavy loads on balcony may be undesirable due to less load bearing capacity of balcony,if it is not well constructed.
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  • Nice post, savvy_v.

    there was a fire drill in my tower of Magarpatta City. After we gathered at the assembly place, the orator explained that balconies should never be covered, as they are used for evacuation in case of emergency. We get greedy and do such things, and when lives are lost, would blame the govt for everything.
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  • Originally Posted by kalzav
    What the heck dude!! You pay 100% of the balcony area and still need to take permission for what does not in any way impact your neighbours

    :bab (3): the rules :bab (36):

    Govt, builder everyone is hell bent on squeezing out the buyer :bab (58):


    If people are freely allowed to build any structure as they want then how do you ensure that the constructed structure is meeting safety standards? Infact you are not even suppose to break a wall and merge two flats without permission from the authorities.
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  • Balcony :-
    This is open area which has same height as that of ceiling, i.e. all have balconies one below the another; this can be seen in Sangria towers, Megapolis.

    Terrace :-
    Is the open area having height double or more that your ceiling. Normally in Pune, we get terraces only which are free of usable FSI. When builders charge 100% terrace + loading, they make no less than 65% profit out of non-existent FSI or other way round buyers pay for non-existent area & FSI.

    Builders show terraces as "Flower Bed" areas & take it inside & add it to the room & get additional FSI by exploiting loopholes in permissible FSI. What you just need is good architect & autocad.

    * PS:- If you see "Blue Print" of the layout & the floor plan of layout, they will hardly match. My current second bedroom size is 13.5x12 with attached terrace, the blueprint shows as 9.6x12 & flower bed area attached. The landlord spoke with builder, but builder said why worry, " Sab aisa hi karte hain, kuch nahin hoga" (All do the same thing, don't worry). :bab (30):
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  • Sorry for reviving old thread.

    I want to do something about a Balcony, Grill it up; and gathered from above discussion below points -
    1. Check if there is clause in flat agreement regarding usage of balcony. If yes, check with builder to get around it.
    2. Wait for Society formation. Talk to builder in case I should wait for certain time before modifications, to avoid any legal complication.
    3. Get Society's permission to put grills. Think about overall aesthetics of Building. If possible, get agreement of all for design and Color. Best would be to come up with society rules
    for enclosing Balcony.
    4. Ensure to keep a window in Grill (usual practice in Mumbai), so in case of emergency, it can be used.
    5. Take care of not causing issues to neighbors e.g. Dripping water.
    6. Don't test the limits of load bearing capacity of Balcony! Do some calculations and put a limit to it.

    Does anyone have inputs on this subject? Any latest developments?
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  • There are four ways you could deck up your balcony.

    1. You could set up a small kitchen garden in your balcony. Grow some veggies and fruits.

    2. Balconies are rare sight in homes nowadays. You could place some balcony furniture to enjoy Pune's beautiful weather.

    3. If it is a spacious balcony, add some artificial grass carpeting and you could turn it into a small garden of your own.

    4. Further brighten up with beautiful upholstery.
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